Blue build 3.08 : Elder lizard vs Black cleaver

[quote=Soulend]Since the last patch, the Spirit of the Elder Lizard, which [b]gave[/b] like 50ad and burned the target for 66true damages at lvl 18, no longer give that, but 35ad & burn for 40td. Then, i was wondering if, on the famous blue build, the black cleaver wwouldn't be better, now. It still give the 10% cdr and AD, but with stats that would be better. Comparing the two items, we can see that : BC give : 20AD 200health 10arpen 5% less armor; x5 While EL give : 14hp5 7mp5 40td dot 3sec 30% more damages to monsters (does not affect minions) We can then easily remove the hp5 & the butcher, because of lifesteal and laning not jungling h24. The mp5 can also be removed since we already have a very lot of mana with the items and at least 20mp5. There still a 6-40damages dot which, in my opinion, does not deal more damages than 20ad; 10arpen & armor reduction, since you deal more than an attack every 3sec, even if you're just spamming your spells. The fact is just about the golds, BC is much more expensive than EL, 1000g but far better. TL;DR : Use BC instead of EL on Blue Build, and call it Blue-Build-With-A-Lil-Of-Red.[/quote]

[quote=luizdeh]The blue build is nothing more than a poke build with blue items. Use whatever you want. People use [[the bloodthirster]] and [[blade of the ruined king]] on 'blue builds' all the time. So yes, using [[the black cleaver]] should yield good results. The downside is the cost, and losing the burn effect early game which is very very good. You could even use both. Spirit items are still very cost-effective though.[/quote]

[quote=Joshified][[Black Cleaver]] is a bad item on any adc besides [[miss fortune]] and even then she should only consider buying it if she is insanely far ahead. The reason why the [[spirit of the elder lizard]] is so popular is because it adds flat true damage onto [{Ezreal]]'s poke, while giving him ad and cooldown reduction. It is also extremely cost effective for the stats it provides.[/quote]

[quote=Luther3000]I was actually recently considering ways to reach 40% CDR on Ezreal without using Elder Lizard (because I build BT instead of it) and Black Cleaver was the most legit option I could think of. I don't think I'd build it as a first item though, likely as 6th item replacing BotRK.[/quote]

[quote=PsiGuard]I would expect doublelift's blue build would be effective, considering it was already pretty strong before the lizard elder nerf. You just rush BT instead of lizard. Plus you can reach 39% with [[sorcery]], [[ionian boots of lucidity]], [[Iceborn Gauntlet]] and [[Elixir of Brilliance]] so I don't think the loss of elder lizard's CDR is a big deal. In some team comps you might even get blue buff priority late game.[/quote]

[quote=Luther3000]I am using that build, for some reason I just completely forgot that blue elixir exists lol. Considering it does I can't really see any reason for BC.[/quote]

[quote=luizdeh][quote=Joshified] [[Black Cleaver]] is a bad item on any adc besides [[miss fortune]] and even then she should only consider buying it if she is insanely far ahead.[/quote] I strongly disagree. With her ultimate shredding armor, the whole team benefits. I'm amazed at how this item has fallen out of flavor, just because you can't stack the passive anymore. It's still a good item. Not on every ADC, we have [[last whisper]] for a similar effect, but with ulimates like [[miss fortune]]'s, [[black cleaver]] is definitely a very viable option. Plus, [[brutalizer]] is awesome early-mid game.[/quote]