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CAC 1 - Part 5d - Q Skill Voting

Creator: Jebus McAzn July 9, 2011 6:08pm

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valk 32 wrote:

.5 second silence is hardly gamebreaking

R: CAC1 does {250/400/600} (+50% AP) magic damage and silences target enemy for {1.5/2/2.5} seconds. If, after the duration of the silence, {3/3/2} enemy champions are nearby target enemy, the silence is renewed and the target loses {10/20/30} armor and magic resist for 5 seconds. (Maximum {2/3/4} renewals). Additionally, every time the fear is renewed, CAC1 gains {5/15/25}% Attack speed for 5 seconds.
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Passive: CAC1 silences enemy for 0.5 seconds and deals (35 / 45 / 55 / 65 / 75) every 5th attack
Active: CAC1 fires a projectile that deals (65 / 100 / 135 / 170 / 215) (+1 per bonus attack damage) physical damage and silences for (1.5 / 1.5 / 1.5 / 2 / 2) seconds.
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another CC on her W

THAT is gamebreaking. Even more on a ranged champion.
Suppose she has 2.5 AS (suppose). She can silence the enemy for free for 0.5 seconds every 2 seconds, and then again in another 2 seconds. Besides that, she'd have a 2 second stun every 8 seconds - with 40% CDR, the 8 seconds become 4,8 seconds. So...
Silences initially for 2 seconds with the active. After 2 seconds, silence for 0.5s second once again. The target has only 1,5s to react before he gets silenced for another 0.5s and then another 0.3s to react before another 2s silence. Wash, rinse and repeat.

Plus, with that ultimate, she'd be able to silence (notice there's also some mechanic repetition here - which is bad, unless other providences are taken, like on Leona, who has two stuns but deals barely any damage alone) another target (with this Q, the most damaging thing would be if she used her ultimate on the tank and then used her other skills on the support. the rest of the team would be vulnerable and GG) for a teamfight-lasting time.

Just with her Q and her Ultimate, she'd be considered OP on Eve level (either any-elo-stomping or sucky as hell).
Her counter would be to limit her from farming, but... whose isn't? Also - she has three skills left.
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TehGus wrote:


R: CAC1 does {250/400/600} (+50% AP) magic damage and silences target enemy for {1.5/2/2.5} seconds. If, after the duration of the silence, {3/3/2} enemy champions are nearby target enemy, the silence is renewed and the target loses {10/20/30} armor and magic resist for 5 seconds. (Maximum {2/3/4} renewals). Additionally, every time the fear is renewed, CAC1 gains {5/15/25}% Attack speed for 5 seconds.
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Passive: CAC1 silences enemy for 0.5 seconds and deals (35 / 45 / 55 / 65 / 75) every 5th attack
Active: CAC1 fires a projectile that deals (65 / 100 / 135 / 170 / 215) (+1 per bonus attack damage) physical damage and silences for (1.5 / 1.5 / 1.5 / 2 / 2) seconds.
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another CC on her W

THAT is gamebreaking. Even more on a ranged champion.
Suppose she has 2.5 AS (suppose). She can silence the enemy for free for 0.5 seconds every 2 seconds, and then again in another 2 seconds. Besides that, she'd have a 2 second stun every 8 seconds - with 40% CDR, the 8 seconds become 4,8 seconds. So...
Silences initially for 2 seconds with the active. After 2 seconds, silence for 0.5s second once again. The target has only 1,5s to react before he gets silenced for another 0.5s and then another 0.3s to react before another 2s silence. Wash, rinse and repeat.

Plus, with that ultimate, she'd be able to silence (notice there's also some mechanic repetition here - which is bad, unless other providences are taken, like on Leona, who has two stuns but deals barely any damage alone) another target (with this Q, the most damaging thing would be if she used her ultimate on the tank and then used her other skills on the support. the rest of the team would be vulnerable and GG) for a teamfight-lasting time.

Just with her Q and her Ultimate, she'd be considered OP on Eve level (either any-elo-stomping or sucky as hell).
Her counter would be to limit her from farming, but... whose isn't? Also - she has three skills left.


We'll leave it to the voters, TehGus.

Also, things that are gamebreakingly OP on paper don't always turn out to be - for instance, when lux came out, people were OUTRAGED that they would put a champ in with so much AoE CC (the galio/amumu metagame was prevalent), but she died out very quickly once she was released.

Additionally - have you ever achieved 2.5 AS? It's hardly common for champions to surpasses ~1.6 AS, and getting up to 2 AS is VERY uncommon and usually means you have to build in uncommon and altogether unviable ways. Moreover, you'll be switching targets consistently and won't get more than 10 attacks off on one person. Have you ever played Vayne? Try getting 2 silver bolts procs on one person in a team fight (and that's 3 hits). Have you ever been silenced by Blitzcrank? The silence duration is so short it's basically only used as a minor disruptor.

Lastly, the cooldown on the Q is very high, so it shouldn't be too much a matter of chain-CC.
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