Consensus on Jarvan, Garen, and Warwick in...

[quote=centurion911]I love all 3 of these guys and they're definitely my best champions. I tend to build OT Jarvan, On hit Jungler Warwick, and Tanky DPS Garen. Are they usually viable in ranked play? Or do they tend to get outclassed?[/quote]

[quote=MildlyMalicious][[Garen]] is seldom seem in ranked due to the fact that he tends to fall off fairly easily in mid to late game transition. Used as a solo top otherwise. [[Warwick]] is still good for low ELO jungle comps cause of his passive sustain but due to his need to be lvl 6 to get a decent gank, high ELO doesn't see much of him. [[Jarvan IV]] is the more used of the 3 in ranked, as either solotop or jungle. He has his moments but can be outdone by other higher tier champs. Also, bad [[Jarvan IV]]'s will ult their team. Cause, he's helping, obviously :3[/quote]

[quote=centurion911][quote=MildlyMalicious] [[Garen]] is seldom seem in ranked due to the fact that he tends to fall off fairly easily in mid to late game transition. Used as a solo top otherwise. [[Warwick]] is still good for low ELO jungle comps cause of his passive sustain but due to his need to be lvl 6 to get a decent gank, high ELO doesn't see much of him. [[Jarvan IV]] is the more used of the 3 in ranked, as either solotop or jungle. He has his moments but can be outdone by other higher tier champs. Also, bad [[Jarvan IV]]'s will ult their team. Cause, he's helping, obviously :3 [/quote] This all makes a lot of sense. Garen can beast it up early but he needs to REALLY beast it in order to be effective late. Warwick is very cumbersome until he hits 6 and has his ult. It's hard to convince people that my ganks are **** until 6. I need to try Jungle Jarvan, seems fun. His ult is definitely either a help or a hindrance. If I ult my team on accident I just cancel it immediately. Thank you very much. I'm probably still going to try each of these champs in ranked but I may have to switch to Mundo, Talon, Ryze, or Fiora.[/quote]

[quote=MildlyMalicious]Not a problem :3 As for the other 4 you just listed, they all seem to have a place in higher ELO play, especially [[Talon]] and [[Ryze]]. Good luck :3[/quote]

[quote=Zoki][[warwick]] is a fking beast. If your team hold untill level 6 against their jungler(assuming it is a pre-6 ganker like [[rammus]], [[shaco]]) you'll win the laning phase. His ganks are almost 100% success, unless you suck very hard. Hes so easy to carry and you can punish enemies so hard for getting even few steps away from their team in team fights. Overall, hes a beast and its nothing special to carry the whole team with him. Hes also pretty adaptable, he can go AD if you need damage, offtank if you need damage and tankiness or just full tank to soak up the damage.[/quote]

[quote=Freddy Shopan]At higher elo, though, I see people running ww more as a solo top, 'cuz he never dies. He's just too slow when the other jungler picks someone like shyv or mundo[/quote]

[quote=centurion911][quote=Zoki] [[warwick]] is a fking beast. If your team hold untill level 6 against their jungler(assuming it is a pre-6 ganker like [[rammus]], [[shaco]]) you'll win the laning phase. His ganks are almost 100% success, unless you suck very hard. Hes so easy to carry and you can punish enemies so hard for getting even few steps away from their team in team fights. Overall, hes a beast and its nothing special to carry the whole team with him. Hes also pretty adaptable, he can go AD if you need damage, offtank if you need damage and tankiness or just full tank to soak up the damage. [/quote] I love to build him as an on hit tank killer due to how stupid my teammates tend to be (I.E. always focusing the tank.) and the fact that it is VERY hard to build against an on-hitter. I can carry teams now with my [[warwick]] but I know that it changes at higher ELO's. It's hard to beat Warwick 1v1 so I can usually counterjungle without much trouble but, as I stated before, things change at higher ELOs and I wanted to see which champs I should focus more on.[/quote]

[quote=Morr33d]Why you would put WW in the jungle when you can play him as solo top?[/quote]

[quote=Zoki]Because he can counter-jungle decently and you can't counter-jungle against him. He stays at 80% of health through at jungle, and with red buff he can destroy a lot of junglers that want to steal his jungle. If you can get to level 6 without failing lanes, his ganks are one of the best in the game.[/quote]

[quote=Searz]Warwick is a great solo top and beats a ton of enemy top laners(just go tanky+movement speed runes+the mana masteries, easy as can be :) ). He has problems with Udyr, Olaf, Kennen and Vlad though. He's ok in the jungle, but there are better junglers. Garen is a decent solo top. He is strong against enemies with low/medium mobility that rely on their spells to deal damage. Jarvan is a meh solo top. He loses a lot of matchups. He is a decent jungler however. His ultimate is a surefire way to make the enemy blow Flash or die.[/quote]