Lichbane

[quote=ZioSerpe][quote=Luther3000] [quote=ZioSerpe] Even on them it's a situational 6th item that people rearely get because that's actually always something better to get 1st. [/quote] I consider Lich to be core on Akali as a 2nd or 3rd complete item. I haven't played Sion or Morde enough to know for sure, but I do know Guardsman builds Lichbane 2nd after Rabadons on Sion. [/quote] Consider it core all you want, you're still mistaking. After gunblade+rylai+lvl2boots Rabadon and 1 between hourglass and abyssal will still give you better output and survability, this coming from someone who mained Akai before you geniuses realized she was OP. Luchbane is her 6th item and not even all games As for Sion Lichbane is core, yes but not the immediate only pick for 3rd item (not counting doran's) depending on game DFG and void staff can be more important, you rush lichbane only when you're snoballing hard and your team is winning all lanes. On morde I don't really see how the fuck can someone think having lichbane is most important than having WotA+Gunblade+Rylai[/quote]

[quote=Luther3000][quote=ZioSerpe] Consider it core all you want, you're still mistaking. After gunblade+rylai+lvl2boots Rabadon and 1 between hourglass and abyssal will still give you better output and survability, this coming from someone who mained Akai before you geniuses realized she was OP. Luchbane is her 6th item and not even all games [/quote] I will, tyvm for giving me permission. And I've been playing Akali since around April or May, I think, when everyone except Westrice thought she sucked.[/quote]

[quote=Trojan995]lich bane is core on twisted fate, because it boosts his [[pick a card]] damage so much. Basically any AP champion that has auto-attacks built into their kit can use lich bane effectively. Akali has [[mark of the assassin]], Morde has [[mace of spades]], and sion has... a need of lich bane.[/quote]

[quote=ZioSerpe][quote=Trojan995] lich bane is core on twisted fate, because it boosts his [[pick a card]] damage so much. Basically any AP champion that has auto-attacks built into their kit can use lich bane effectively. Akali has [[mark of the assassin]], Morde has [[mace of spades]], and sion has... a need of lich bane. [/quote] Good Call on TF, nearly forgot about him, here that is where lichbane is core, TF. For the rest I like your word use, "CAN use lichbane effectivly" that's the point, but if we're talking about core, mostly due to the high cost is mostly wiser to pick other items unless you're snowballing.[/quote]

[quote=Temzilla][quote=ZioSerpe] [quote=Trojan995] lich bane is core on twisted fate, because it boosts his [[pick a card]] damage so much. Basically any AP champion that has auto-attacks built into their kit can use lich bane effectively. Akali has [[mark of the assassin]], Morde has [[mace of spades]], and sion has... a need of lich bane. [/quote] Good Call on TF, nearly forgot about him, here that is where lichbane is core, TF. For the rest I like your word use, "CAN use lichbane effectivly" that's the point, but if we're talking about core, mostly due to the high cost is mostly wiser to pick other items unless you're snowballing. [/quote] Most mordekaiser builds don't have enough AP to make use of Lich Bane. The other ones just don't have room. He needs to many stats to be effective right now.[/quote]

[quote=Drain]This item sucks on most heros. Main reason? The cost. You going to spend 3,470g on this? A Deathcap is only 3,600. If you're going that high... just get the Deathcap. Also, a caster will typically blow his entire set of cds asap all at once time if they can, meaning you don't get a proc after each cast. They don't stack up in advance, and it has a cd, so extra spells in that time period don't count. You'll probably just get 1 proc per rotation in a fight with another champion or maybe 1 or 2 procs total before one of you is dead. It's such a massive amount of gold for such a pathetic amount of damage and this is all why you never see a caster use this. The only heroes I can recommend this on are the auto attackers with few abilities to throw at enemies, meaning they cast 1 ability then just auto attack. Singed is one such hero, because all he can do is cast his 1 ability at you, then either auto attack you or run away.(This item helps with both because it also has speed. You could fling+smack once for the proc, then run away. This thing was probably made for just him. +Mana too.) Sion is another such hero. They throw out the stun, then auto attack. By the time the stun repops, so did the proc, basically meaning that after every stun used you get the proc damage tacked on top of it.[/quote]

[quote=Drain][quote=Temzilla] [quote=ZioSerpe] [quote=Trojan995] lich bane is core on twisted fate, because it boosts his [[pick a card]] damage so much. Basically any AP champion that has auto-attacks built into their kit can use lich bane effectively. Akali has [[mark of the assassin]], Morde has [[mace of spades]], and sion has... a need of lich bane. [/quote] Good Call on TF, nearly forgot about him, here that is where lichbane is core, TF. For the rest I like your word use, "CAN use lichbane effectivly" that's the point, but if we're talking about core, mostly due to the high cost is mostly wiser to pick other items unless you're snowballing. [/quote] Most mordekaiser builds don't have enough AP to make use of Lich Bane. The other ones just don't have room. He needs to many stats to be effective right now. [/quote] One of which isn't mana. Why waste gold on a mana item on a hero that doesn't use mana??? Force of Nature is a far better item for Mord, especially if you stack things like the Guide+Rylai+Sunfire with it. Big pile of AP+Hp/Hp regen+Speed.[/quote]

[quote=aroke453]litch bane is a core item for me on fizz, works with his q for bitching damage. its a good item in the sense that it adds a bit of a mini nuke at the end of your combo, besides the stats beyond its passive are pretty darn great[/quote]