Red Elixir new meta?

[quote=Thalia Kael]I agree with most of what was said above, but just getting a kill isn't worth it IMO. You need to gain a good advantage off that kill, like gaining a farm advantage while he is dead or something. Because if you've killed him and he still has at least 2 more farm than you when he gets back, all you have over him is the EXP from the kill/minions while he is gone. FB is an exception though, since it's worth more than the standard 300. But you don't necessarily have to get a kill off of him. Preventing him from getting a kill off of you is just as valuable. And if you can bully him with it and establish a farm advantage or zone him and get an EXP advantage, it can be worthwhile. But if you fail to gain a nice advantage from it/your enemy is still doing better than you, they're doing an extra 250 gold better than you because of that elixir. So it can be used to gain a good advantage, but if you fail you will fail 250 gold harder, and top lane success CAN significantly change the outcome of the game. So yeah it's a risk and I would only recommend it if you are able to do it/are experienced with that start.[/quote]

[quote=DisturbedFox]I've seen some people start Elixir on AD Carries. Never ended well for them, though.[/quote]

[quote=NicknameMy]I would say [[garen]] is one of the best users for this. He already as great sustain and damage, and with [[elixir of fortitude]] aswell, he could bring big pain against his enemies.[/quote]

[quote=Mooninites]Usually elixir is built top lane if you suspect you're going to be 2v1'd. It's a pretty big hp spike and gives nice bonus damage early on, it also allows you to take a decent amount of health pots (i think 5) and a ward into lane. Not many people just buy it straight up for a 1v1 top lane, but I guess it';s viable[/quote]

[quote=utopus]From what i know, I believe that flask pays for itself after 8 uses. Idk if that helps at all, but yeah. If you're an AP mid, or top and believe that you will be doing a lot of brawls with the opposing laner, you might want to think about investing in it. Plus, for the mid game, it gives quite a nice out of combat heal. You can always pop all 3 at once for quite a nice boost of health[/quote]

[quote=Pølsemanden][quote=Mooninites] Usually elixir is built top lane if you suspect you're going to be 2v1'd. It's a pretty big hp spike and gives nice bonus damage early on, it also allows you to take a decent amount of health pots (i think 5) and a ward into lane. Not many people just buy it straight up for a 1v1 top lane, but I guess it';s viable [/quote] yeeaaah.. no[/quote]

[quote=Madreds]so [[elixir of fortitude]] is used for early game HP boots + damage, giving you advantage in 1v1, or baiting enemy to dive / 1v1 you when you get the extra healing + damage out of it. Of course there is the risk of losing gold if you do not get advantage, but i still think that it is safer than like 9[[health potion]] start cause the healing Burst. 9Potion 2Ward start is to make really weak early game champions (ex. [[akali]]) to have easier time to hit the levels they need, like [[akali]] wants to get level 6 and then back to buy. Flask + 1 ward + 1 potion start is for mana-consuming / using champions (ex. [[darius]] or [[diana]]) who rely on mana and run out of it really easily. [color=#ff0000][u][i][b]THIS IS JUST MY OPINION[/b][/i][/u][/color][/quote]