Spellvamp quints, worth it?

[quote=tehAsian]It's meh on [[kennen]], if you spam your Q for the sustain it leaves you with no energy, so you're more prone to ganks. Also, the rest of his skills are AoE making the spell vamp 2% with just runes, 3% if you have the masteries. Plus his base damage and ratios are low... [quote=Wintermond] Why would you want more sustain if you can just crush your lane? [/quote] AND you don't need sustain if you kill whoever you're against, push to the tower, and blue pill back with pots and a gold advantage. They ARE, however, worth it on some champions who do a ton of damage early on with low/no mana costs like [[ryze]]. Got completely destroyed by one of those...[/quote]

[quote=Slappiz][quote=tehAsian] It's meh on [[kennen]], if you spam your Q for the sustain it leaves you with no energy, so you're more prone to ganks. Also, the rest of his skills are AoE making the spell vamp 2% with just runes, 3% if you have the masteries. Plus his base damage and ratios are low... [quote=Wintermond] Why would you want more sustain if you can just crush your lane? [/quote] AND you don't need sustain if you kill whoever you're against, push to the tower, and blue pill back with pots and a gold advantage. They ARE, however, worth it on some champions who do a ton of damage early on with low/no mana costs like [[ryze]]. Got completely destroyed by one of those... [/quote] Well if you are going mid they may not be the best option, but if you are going top with Kennen, (for example, to counter a top laning Lee Sin) then they really are the best choice. You will dominate your lane and a few last hits with Q will keep you on high health during the laning phase.[/quote]

[quote=Embracing][quote=tehAsian] It's meh on [[kennen]], if you spam your Q for the sustain it leaves you with no energy, so you're more prone to ganks. Also, the rest of his skills are AoE making the spell vamp 2% with just runes, 3% if you have the masteries. Plus his base damage and ratios are low... [quote=Wintermond] Why would you want more sustain if you can just crush your lane? [/quote] AND you don't need sustain if you kill whoever you're against, push to the tower, and blue pill back with pots and a gold advantage. They ARE, however, worth it on some champions who do a ton of damage early on with low/no mana costs like [[ryze]]. Got completely destroyed by one of those... [/quote] I believe Ego Ignaxio runs energy yellows and blues on his Kennen with Spell vamp quints. Ryze has low mana costs only on his Q.[/quote]

[quote=Wintermond][quote=Yukimaru] "Kennen cuz Kennen doesnt need the early damage." because dat 15 AP make such a hugeass difference *trollface* [/quote] Thats 11 more damage on every Q. Not counting in the other abilities. So yes, it makes a difference.[/quote]

[quote=Slappiz][quote=Wintermond] [quote=Yukimaru] "Kennen cuz Kennen doesnt need the early damage." because dat 15 AP make such a hugeass difference *trollface* [/quote] Thats 11 more damage on every Q. Not counting in the other abilities. So yes, it makes a difference. [/quote] Sustain > 11 more damage on Q 24% spellvamp after first teleport to shop, how can you argue about that?[/quote]

[quote=Wintermond]You get enough sustain when you got your Revolver/WotA, there's no need to get more. I also don't like the fact that the "9%" come from the Utility masteries which are way weaker than the Offensive or the Defensive tree.[/quote]

[quote=Slappiz][quote=Wintermond] You get enough sustain when you got your Revolver/WotA, there's no need to get more. I also don't like the fact that the "9%" come from the Utility masteries which are way weaker than the Offensive or the Defensive tree. [/quote] I use 10/9/11 on Kennen. Sure you get more damage from the offensive tree but I prefer to play Kennen with good sustain which results in better lane presence = more gold. When I play champions like kennen/irelia or mordekaiser I want good sustain so I can wear out my opponents. But that's just a matter of playstyle.[/quote]

[quote=Yagamoth][quote]But that's just a matter of playstyle.[/quote] That's what it comes down to in the end. I tried the spellvamp, and my opinion on the whole thing is (read: Opinion, nothing scientific): - It's only useful on casters which actually use spells to last hit (Ryze, Kennen, Karthus, Annie) - 15 AP is for many APs the tip on the scale to kill the enemy - as in: Crucial - The 6% SpellVamp without the 3% Masteries are not noticeable, get both - which again leads to less damage output due to not being as deep into the offense tree - I'd get it only on Champions on which I also get a WotA or Gunblade - If you know you won't kill your enemy lane, it's a decent option - I usually prefer movement speed if I don't need Spell Vamp - I can only think of one lane Champion on which I'd take it over AP: Ryze (Unless you play extremely offensive) - On Jungle Amumu it could also be an option (didn't try that - and jungle Singed NEEDS movement speed imo) - Thinking about it... Veigar could be a good choice too (didn't try that)[/quote]

[quote=GrandmasterD]On most mages they don't beat the [[Greater Quintessence Of Potency]] imo. I've tried them on [[Vladimir]] but it just isnt worth it. [[Ryze]] seems a pretty good candidate and [[Cassiopeia]] seems promising as well however I can't say I actually use them.[/quote]

[quote=example1013]I don't know why anyone would ever want to play Ryze without MS quints. He's painfully slow. I mean, I do it out of necessity, but believe me, if I could drop RP on quints I'd have done so by now.[/quote]