Swain support

[quote=OmnisChild]I have been experimenting with a swain support. Building Tailsmen for income first then tear of the goddess and rushing rod of ages from there to finish with Rod of ages Liandrys archangels and deathfire cap I have found him to be quite valuable. Pre 6 he is very squishy but can dish out some serious punishment on anyone foolish enough to stray to close to my adc. At 6 and from there he is a superb tank with some amazing dmg output. After lane phase has ended I find him to be one of the meanest pushers and tanks Ive ever encountered. Anyone have thoughts on how I could make him better. I building runes with full ap and masteries are mainly ap with some defence points put in to help pre 6 sustainability.[/quote]

[quote=Lugignaf]So... You basically just described midlane Swain, but with less gold income and far less utility for a team. Examples: #1: "I want a slow!" Well there's [[Glitterlance]], which is AoE and super long range. Also a bigger slow than [[Decrepify]]. #2: "[[Nevermove]] is such great utility though! An AoE Snare!" [[Solar Flare]] is an AoE stun/slow at longer range. It also gives vision on the area cast. #3: "But what about the damage amplification from [[Torment]]?" Well, sure that's a thing, but it only amplifies Swain's damage. If you want a damage increase for your ADC, there's [[Leona]]'s passive, [[sunlight]]. In summary, Swain support isn't really that good compared to other supports. Sorry.[/quote]

[quote=DillButt64]"this champion has cc therefore it can be a support!"[/quote]

[quote=drakon136]It worked for Annie.[/quote]

[quote=DillButt64]annie doesnt need items other than dfg to do anything though unlike swain[/quote]

[quote=Lugignaf][quote=DillButt64] annie doesnt need items other than dfg to do anything though unlike swain [/quote] She also has [b]targeted hard CC[/b], and an AoE stun. Hell, she can have it at level 1.[/quote]

[quote=OmnisChild]I don't fill he needs to much other the a tear of the goddess rod of ages and liandrys usually I have all 3 by lvl 12-14 from there is go spirt visage and archangels deathfire cap if I have time. Are you sure he doesn't bring much utility? I understand other supps can do that samething but better but not as many bring the powerful mage tank type that swain does.[/quote]

[quote=utopus]So uhh..... where's your [icon=sightstone size=400][/quote]

[quote=DillButt64][quote=Lugignaf] [quote=DillButt64] annie doesnt need items other than dfg to do anything though unlike swain [/quote] She also has [b]targeted hard CC[/b], and an AoE stun. Hell, she can have it at level 1. [/quote] that too but my point is that swain needs items or hes gonna be useless, unless youre a god at landing 5 man snares also i have no idea how youre getting RoA, Tear, AND liandrys all before youre level 12-14 as a support, tear is understandable but RoA is pretty expensive and also a poor choice on a support since it takes 10 minutes to be finished the only way swain can be a tank mage is because of the items he gets, you will not be getting your full tank mage build on a support income and youre lacking important supportish items like the new shuryelaaaaaaaas or locket and, as utopus said, sightstone, your build is extremely selfish for a support and your only reason is cuz he has a targeted slow and snare[/quote]

[quote=TotemTiki]I have had games like these on my smurf when [[Swain]] was part of the free rotation and he would get insta-locked every game. The idea behind a support [[Swain]] is to get an early kill in the bot lane, then leave the lane(the risky part) and begin roaming. It is a really risky idea and requires a fast first blood as well as a ADC who is left alone in lane for a bit. IF [[Swain]] gets rolling he can quickly put the entire team on track.[/quote]