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Why do people get TBC on darius?

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I've seen dariuses rush it against me and i've never understood it. Why do people get it on him? Is it the AD? The CDR? Your passive on E makes the debuff on cleaver worth less and you can't even stack it that quickly.

Why not just get something 100% offensive or 100% defensive. If i were to go for a mix item i'd rather go for a tri-force than TBC tbh.

Can someone reasonable enlighten me as to why this item is considered core on darius?
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Dunno how's it hanging atm, but before Pen rework just a full tank/support tank build was totally fine to roflstomp everyone...

TBC is just too good of an item overall to pass it, but I guess building him tank is still too good of a choice, just AD is fine (without giving anything on ArP).
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I go TBC always on Darius nowadays. I also like Ravenous Hydra.

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I don't know, when I play Darius, people usually say to me to get cancer, so far no one told me to get TBC.
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Many reasons.

First off, it's cheap and cost effective. In your review of my guide you suggested triforce, but with the price of cleaver you can buy cleaver AS WELL AS a giant's belt for roughly the same price, and when you compare Triforce to a Cleaver AND a gbelt, it isn't even close.

Second off, cleaver provides armor pen to your WHOLE team. ADCs have seen heavy nerfs to their overall damage output and most if not all don't buy cleaver anymore. When you sit in the back with your adc peeling off targets and focusing them down, they die VERY quickly.

Third, it builds out of such good items. Ruby crystal and brutalizer are really strong on Darius, and cleaver is just too great of an upgrade to pass up. You get 25 AD, the percent ARP, 5% cdr and 20 health for 1188 which is great.

It honestly isn't that hard to stack up. E, auto attack, w, q, auto attack, dunk. There. 5 stacks. I don't get why you think it makes your arp from E worthless either, it gives flat AND percent, not just one like youmuu's.

As for rushing it, I wouldn't after the nerfs, but warmog's followed by cleaver on darius is very hard for anyone to deal with provided he finishes the two at a reasonable point in the game.
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Many reasons.

First off, it's cheap and cost effective. In your review of my guide you suggested triforce, but with the price of cleaver you can buy cleaver AS WELL AS a giant's belt for roughly the same price, and when you compare Triforce to a Cleaver AND a gbelt, it isn't even close.

Second off, cleaver provides armor pen to your WHOLE team. ADCs have seen heavy nerfs to their overall damage output and most if not all don't buy cleaver anymore. When you sit in the back with your adc peeling off targets and focusing them down, they die VERY quickly.

Third, it builds out of such good items. Ruby crystal and brutalizer are really strong on Darius, and cleaver is just too great of an upgrade to pass up. You get 25 AD, the percent ARP, 5% cdr and 20 health for 1188 which is great.

It honestly isn't that hard to stack up. E, auto attack, w, q, auto attack, dunk. There. 5 stacks. I don't get why you think it makes your arp from E worthless either, it gives flat AND percent, not just one like youmuu's.

As for rushing it, I wouldn't after the nerfs, but warmog's followed by cleaver on darius is very hard for anyone to deal with provided he finishes the two at a reasonable point in the game.


Wasnt sure about TBC on Darius either, thank you for this post. I just love how you're one of the highest ranked player in here, yet you answer like a gentleman.

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Wasnt sure about TBC on Darius either, thank you for this post. I just love how you're one of the highest ranked player in here, yet you answer like a gentleman.

Very unlikely on the internetz.


No problem, glad to help. (Don't think im the highest either hehe, I think there are like 3 diamonds active on these forums, and a few plat 1 players as well.)
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But like, neither his passive or ulti are phys damage, and he does have his passive. I think brut might be on him, but unless your some kind of shredding support, I don't see the worth of upgrading it
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Your main damage is still physical damgage...
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As for rushing it, I wouldn't after the nerfs, but warmog's followed by cleaver on darius is very hard for anyone to deal with provided he finishes the two at a reasonable point in the game.


It's probably better to rush Randuin's Omen instead of Warmog's Armor now. With the nerf of Warmog's and the buff of BotRK, Randuin's Omen is a much stronger option.
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