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League of Legends (LoL) Question: AD Marks on AP champions?

Posted in Runes | Tags: Rumble Viktor 6,466

  • OTGBionicArm

    AD Marks on AP champions?

    Hey guys. As a mostly AD focused player, I've always had a hard time doing well with mages and AP champions in general. My biggest flaw in the game in general is farming, and this is further exacerbated by being an AP champion.

    I've been attempting to add Viktor back into my roster as well as learning Rumble, and have had some success in improving my overall game greatly by using AD marks (and in the case of rumble, also the AD masteries alongside the AP ones).

    I've heard somewhere that while pen marks may be theoretically better, and giving you more damage against champions in most situations, if you'll be missing creeps by using those runes, AD is always more worth.

    So my question(s) are as follows;

    1. Do you agree with the above statement?
    2. Does anyone else do this? If so, with whom? Has it improved your play as well?
    3. Is this a strategy that can continue working in higher elos beyond gold?
  • Answers (6)

    FalseoGod (316) | September 5, 2015 5:20am
    I generally use 2 AD quints on Swain. I think the penetration is too valuable to pass out, specially against assassins who are generally melee and have higher base resistances. (Swain also deals amped damage on autos with E and I generally pick him into melee or simile-ranged champs so I can E+auto to make it count). Besides, I use hybrid pen marks to compliment this little upgrade oh his AD.

    However, I think with a lot of champs, it's actually mostly a matter of practice. Rumble's AA animation is absolutely horrid, so I don't think the marks will make your cs'ing that much better, whereas Victor has a pretty decent AA animation and his post-upgrade waveclear is good. I think these marks are extremely situational for mages, and only a few can truly benefit from them fully.
    parrot6632 (12) | September 6, 2015 8:29pm
    its not that hard to cs as rumble once you get the hang of it. if you don't know what your doing he has some terrible csing due to managing flamespitter. once you get in a lot of practice it becomes very easy. i use ad quints and ap masteries though
    FalseoGod (316) | September 5, 2015 6:04am
    I have Bilgerat, it's horrible anyway. I'd say you'd have an easier time having some more flat AP runes on him and cs'ing with a combination of E, Q and AA. It'll always feel ****py tho.

    Well, I don't think it's majorly offensive to have AD quints (1 or 2) on Vic, since you can use them to trade with Q and cs, although I'd definitely maintain the hybrid pen (or full mpen) marks.
    OTGBionicArm (415) | September 5, 2015 5:35am
    Default Rumble or Super Galaxy? I've been playing him with the latter and it does feel so horrid (as i walk into lane with 74 AD instead of 61), and as for Viktor, while his animation is good, having such low AD really kills my farming before the E upgrade, thus delaying getting it in the first place. :/
    Vynertje (386) | September 5, 2015 5:25am
    1) If it really makes such a big difference, yes (along the lines of 20 cs differential at 10). However, in that case I'd spend more time practising last-hitting instead because it'll only make it harder to adapt back to normal later on.

    2) I don't do so myself on anyone.

    3) Yes because games aren't lost on such small differences. However, the fact that you NEED to use that kind of strategy does mean you don't have the skill to achieve plat/diamond yet.
    FalseoGod (316) | September 5, 2015 6:02am
    Lulu's pretty easy to farm with once you got mana regen tho :P
    Vynertje (386) | September 5, 2015 5:43am
    Yes the damage difference would be small, but that doesn't mean it's good to just accept the fact that you can't last hit and stick to an otherwise inferior rune setup.

    I play support only too but when I play lulu mid/top I can at least stay even in CS without using any like that.
    OTGBionicArm (415) | September 5, 2015 5:38am
    But couldn't it be argued that if you just focus on farming up anyway, you'll be getting Void Staff/ Sorcerer's Shoes later anyway, making the arguably small damage reduction by not having the pen marks largely irrelevant? And as I said, I mostly play AD champions (Currently maining ADC, and I play Varus more often if I have to mid these days), so I generally don't get pushed into a situation where I have to be a mage. This is kind of a back up plan in case I absolutely have to play a champion like this in ranked.
    Embracing (353) | September 13, 2015 8:12am
    Theoretically you can be good enough at last hitting that you won't miss creeps. Taking runes that lower efficiency and alleviate for human error is never the best. They're like training wheels honestly. If you have em you can't drive the fastest but they might help. The issue is that you still have to get used to last hitting with ad runes, even if it might be easier. You have to spend time to adjust to them, and the time spent on that is honestly much better spent on learning how to last hit with normal runes.
    CrazeChimp (6) | September 9, 2015 10:12am
    It's true AD runes could help your cs but it's kinda like a crutch. Good if you need it but better if you can do without it.
    I played Swain a lot S2/S3. Haven't played him much recently but.. yeah. Trying to cs sucks. Just takes practice. The part where you will notice the difference the most is probably under turret, trying to cs.

    Get use to how much dmg the turret does to the minions.. For example, a melee takes 3 turret hits to kill, but typically 2 turret and an AA will give u the cs. Caster minions take 2 shots, but 1 turret shot + 2 AAs will give u the cs.
    With that, while the turret is firing those 2 shots at the melees, prep the casters by firing 1 AA at each (pause to last hit the melee minions). This way, instead of fighting with the turret, you're letting it do the heavy-lifting for you. With this you have to prepare a bit more but you'll get most/all the cs.

    Edit: I just realized the OP didn't mention Swain. ^ still applies to other casters.
    parrot6632 (12) | September 7, 2015 6:52am
    you won't understand until you try to cs as swain :/ 3 DOT spells and one aoe root that you have to save in case of ganks. auto attack animation isn't too bad but he has terrible ad
    Ashmon16 | September 5, 2015 4:05pm
    To this part i am mostly new to the whole part of putting runes to champs as i've always had the one rune page for all my champs. i started making my ap page, and i started noticed i had a ****pier early game as soraka or heim if i take out my ad runes so i've left them in cause i like the idea that i can do up to 130 damage just by throwing a spanner in the works. (i have no clue how that happens late game but it does)
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