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Champions that should be nerfed/buffed Patch 10.12

Wicked Cherry's Tier List Wicked Cherry's Tier List
Last updated on June 11, 2020
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buff

no offence intended - this is my personal opinion

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Nerf

feel free to share your thoughts in the comment section :]

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nerf funneling champions

thanks to Flying Wailord for inspiring me with the idea. :]These are the most popular funnel-champs I could find, feel free to let me know if there's more or some are obsolete.

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BlackguardRaven | May 15, 2020 4:52pm
I think ADC Senna should get a buff, but support/fasting senna should get a nerf. I was thinking that if Senna has a support item, then her souls gave her less value, and made cannon minions senna kills give souls. What are your opinions on my ideas
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Wicked Cherry (147) | May 16, 2020 3:54am
Hey BlackguardRaven,
thank you so much for your comment and sharing your thoughts on my tier list. :)

It's somewhat ironic because you're at least the third person talking about buffing Senna. Her win rates in the upper elo is pretty high though (Challenger and Grand Master 54%, even 56.9% (!!) in Master, for instance).
About the ADC-support thingy, I honestly see Senna as more of an ADC rather than a support. However, Riot didn't picture her as full-on ADC when they created her, so I'm guessing that they'll rather try to emphasize her support role and nerf the ADC side of her. I imagine they wanted to have another couple on bot lane that would just synergize pretty well, like Rakan and Xayah.

I hope I could help out and explain why I put her into the nerf tier (which mainly focuses on her support role). If there's anything else on your mind or you'd like to keep discussing, please feel free to do so. :)

Cheers, Wicked Cherry.
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BlackRoseGirl (5) | May 14, 2020 1:20pm
I feel like Gnar is a little broken... would nerfing him be wrong? He just seems WAY too strong.
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Wicked Cherry (147) | May 15, 2020 10:56am
Hmmm.. I don't know to be honest. Haven't seen many Gnars recently, but let me check his win rates:
Overall - 49.12%; Master - 52.37%; Grand Master - 59.43%; Challenger - 53.66%
So I'd say, a slight buff, probably base stat or mana wise would be enough, but yeah. He seems pretty strong, especially in higher elo. oO The 59% was data contributed from only a bit more than 100 games, so it might not be too accurate but a slight nerf should feel fair. I'll add him. Thanks. :)
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BlackRoseGirl (5) | May 15, 2020 12:17pm
No problem! I’ve been playing against him quite a bit recently, and he feels like a top lane ranged Fizz. You can’t go in against him because of how slippery he is, but he WILL kill YOU.
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BlackRoseGirl (5) | May 12, 2020 12:39pm
Would giving twitch a small buff be terrible? he's SUPER FUN, but in the F tier for pretty much everything. I feel like if they gave his E a passive that did physical damage per second along with the true damage per second, just to add a little damage potential and make Black Cleaver viable for him, I feel like that would help his E active deal more damage, help with his mobility, and just help his play rate a little.
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Wicked Cherry (147) | May 13, 2020 12:54pm
Heya,
I think it really depends on what you mean by "small buff". He used to be super strong as jungler and ADC some patches ago. The last two seasons he was super annoying. From my point of view, it's fair that a champion can't always excell (over the average) in every kind of meta. Giving his E a passive might be possible but it somewhat sounds overpowered as well. I mean he already has a stealth and the stacks and the AOE from his ult and the other ability. I just feel like he'd actually gain a slight lift if they buffed attack speed items a little. But I might be wrong about that.
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BlackRoseGirl (5) | May 14, 2020 1:16pm
From my point of view, it's fair that a champion can't always excell (over the average) in every kind of meta.

*cough cough Darius*
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lemonbellflower (20) | May 11, 2020 11:27am
You, like, read my mind when it came to nerf, with the exception of Senna. I think she's fine, although I do see your point that you made to FuzzyFuz. But Darius and Garen?? Fizz?? FREAKING WUKONG?!? I have to really steel my soul whenever I'm against them, because while I am a Never Give Up, Never Surrender kind of person, I see those champs and I just sink. They're so hard to play against and way too easy to play. There's no challenge. And quite frankly, especially in the case of Darius and Garen, all of their voice lines are so annoying or aggravating to me, which is a major reason why I *don't* play them. I hate that it'll sometimes take my entire team to take one down, and if they even cross my path when I'm alone, there's no point in running. I'm always too slow. Even with flash, they catch up, and there's no point in even trying.

I would love to see an Ivern buff. I don't think I've ever seen him, and it's a shame, because he seems like a genuinely good champ that just can't keep up. I'm not sure what funneling means, though, so I can't comment on that... but really, great list. I wholeheartly agree!
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Wicked Cherry (147) | May 13, 2020 1:02pm
Hey lemonbellflower,
thanks for agreeing with me. :) I know what you mean. xD I'm almost literally the person voting No even when it's somewhat obvious that it's gonna be real hard to win this. But I've actually won some games that seemed so not winnable that I wouldn't want to miss out on the experience nor on the LP. I honestly thing the hardest to catch are Fizz and Wukong - they literally have the ability to dodge pretty much everything and even escape with abilities with low cool down, a slight raise might already do the trick although the DOT of Fizz' is driving me insane - and the hardest to escape from is Garen because he's a freaking bayblade spinning in a death's dance right through the front line and getting everywhere..

Yeah, Ivern is such a great champion with so much potential but he's pretty much never played because he's just too weak for team fights. :< It's pretty sad.
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lemonbellflower (20) | May 13, 2020 2:33pm
I'm sorry, but "freaking bayblade spinning in a death's dance" is going to stay in my head forever, aaaaand now I have a MIGHTY NEED for Riot and Takara Tomy to collab so we can get the best Bayblade/Garen skin League has ever seen. XD
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BlackRoseGirl (5) | May 12, 2020 12:28pm
I KNOW!!!!! DARIUS'S VOICE LINES ARE SO TILTING!!! Seriously, they just get me down any time I'm playing against OR as them! Darius: You thought you could run? I have my W AND E, BOTH OF WHICH APPLY SLOWS for no apparent reason lmao
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BlackRoseGirl (5) | May 7, 2020 2:49pm
Is the Nerf funneling list REASONS why funneling should be nerfed, or Champions that should be nerfed to make funneling weaker? because Kindred takes A LOT of skill, on level with Akali.
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Wicked Cherry (147) | May 8, 2020 12:28pm
These are the most successful champions that profit from funneling. At least from what I found in my research about the matter. In general, I think funneling will always be some kind of potential strategy in the game, no matter how much we want to despise it. So there's always gonna be some champions that work better for that matter than others. I'm not sure how you'd like to nerf funneling, sadly. :/ To answer you question, these are the most prominent funneling champions that should be nerfed in regards of funneling.
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BlackRoseGirl (5) | May 12, 2020 2:58pm
I'm not quite sure what funneling is, to be honest. All I really know about it is the Master Yi+Taric combo... Is it like having a constant leash?
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Zhin | May 2, 2020 9:04am
Ivern really needs a buff, that's probably why you don't see him as much in games. I know I haven't come cross one at all. Nerfing, I'd say Darius. I ban him every single ranked game because he is just that strong to lane against and for my team to deal with.
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Wicked Cherry (147) | May 2, 2020 11:27am
Hello Zhin,
thank you so much for sharing your opinions! I really appreciate that. I'm glad we agree in the Darius nerf and the Ivern buff. I really think it's sad that seeing an Ivern is harder than seeing most other champions. You could say he's League of Legends' legendary Pokémon. I love that he's a (nature-)friendly spirit. But he and his kit in general feel so weak, it's really sad. Let's hope he'll see a buff or some sort of rework in the future.

Thanks again for sharing your thoughts. :)
Cheers, Wicked Cherry.
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Splitty | May 2, 2020 6:53am
Nice tier list bro, but I disagree with senna bcs she has already been nerfed soonly, but I agree with every other thing.
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Wicked Cherry (147) | May 2, 2020 11:22am
Hey Splitty,
I know it may sound weird at first but when you check her higher elo win rates, I'm sure you'll understand. I actually explained why I put her there in another comment further below.
Here it is:
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However, if this doesn't convince you, feel free to share your thoughts. :)
Cheers, Wicked Cherry.
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BlackRoseGirl (5) | May 7, 2020 2:52pm
i think mana costs would be a great idea! Nerfing her passive would be a little much, it's already been nerfed 3 times.
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Splitty | May 2, 2020 12:21pm
Oh I understand, Nice so!
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FlyingWailord (8) | May 2, 2020 6:48am
Nerf Funnel
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Wicked Cherry (147) | May 2, 2020 11:20am
Hello Flying Wailord,
thank you for your comment. I absolutely agree that funneling is probably one of the (if not the) most annoying strategies in game. I could not agree more with you, but sadly you can only add champions to tier lists. But your post actually made me think about adding an additional tier to this list. Thank you. :)
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FuzzyFuz (1) | May 1, 2020 12:29pm
Y do u think that Senna still needs to be nerfed??
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Wicked Cherry (147) | May 2, 2020 4:38am
Hey FuzzyFuz,
yep, I actually do think that because her win rate in higher elo (Master 58%; Grand Master 53%; Challenger 53.8%; with more than 200 games per division) is well over 50%. I'm not saying she should be nerfed beyond recognition. Just some slight nerfs should be enough. Maybe raising the mana costs of her abilities slightly or so. But thank you for your question, I hope you can agree with that. :)

Cheers, Wicked Cherry.
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BlackRoseGirl (5) | April 14, 2020 6:33pm
I would add Nidalee to the “Buff” section, she’s pretty bad right now.
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Wicked Cherry (147) | April 16, 2020 3:52am
Hey BlackRoseGirl,
thank you for your comment. :)
I agree that Nidalee has seemed weak for a while but I checked her stats which are overall at around 47% win rate - quite low. But ! then I checked her Challenger (flat 50%) and Grand Master (53%) and found that she seems somewhat balanced. You have to keep in mind that she's always been quite a difficult champion to play since she's mostly focused on skill - land that spear and you can pretty much all in, but if you miss, you've disengaged your own gank. That kind of thing.

I hope you understand why I won't add her to the list. But please, feel free to discuss other potential champions. I'm looking forward to discussing them. :]

Cheers, Wicked Cherry.
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BlackRoseGirl (5) | April 16, 2020 4:18pm
I absolutely understand. i started playing her better recently and I have been winning much more and almost getting triple kills!
I think it's a similar case to qiyana(and many assassins besides akali who IS just kinda bad rn), where they're really hard but even more rewarding.
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Colgatepot69 | April 1, 2020 11:06am
Nah I hope they nerf Akali again tbh, she was such a major pain before her nerfs and still is if you aren't careful.
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Wicked Cherry (147) | April 1, 2020 12:31pm
Hey Colgatepot69,
I do agree that she was a "major pain" as you put it. But she got nerfed pretty much beyond recognition which is the reason why I think she'd need a little buff. I'm not saying that her recent nerfs should be undone - nono, don't get me wrong there. But she's not exactly an easy champion to play and in order to excell at playing her, I think the player should be rewarded by being able to carry a game or at least take out one or two carries in late game. I'm playing in lower elo (around silver/gold), so I may be mistaken, but I haven't really seen Akali being able to do that lately although people did master her (more or less at least).
But feel free to argue against it. I'm quite interested in your opinion. :)
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BlackRoseGirl (5) | March 31, 2020 4:07pm
NERRFFF SETTT AND DARUIS RITO PLZZZZZZ!!!!
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Wicked Cherry (147) | April 1, 2020 10:28am
Hey BlackRoseGirl,
it's pretty funny that you're saying that because before I updated the tier list, Sett was on the nerf tier. However, I recently had a somewhat heated conversation with someone and apparently he's been nerfed already. I still think he might be a bit "too easy" to play, even though Riot wanted to create an easy-to-learn champion with him.
With Darius, I somewhat agree, because the true damage output of his is a bit too much in late game. So I think I'll add both champs. :)
Thank you for your comment. ♥
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BlackRoseGirl (5) | April 28, 2020 2:55pm
I actually have a few Ideas for how they could nerf Darius so that he's still good if you play him well, but you can't just bulldoze over everyone just by smashing buttons. First of all, the slow on his W is TOO MUCH. Take it down from 90% at all ranks to scaling up to 60% at rank 5. Have the slow on his E brought down to 35%. Have them decay over .75 seconds instead of being constant over 1 second. That way, they have to reposition fast to use their Q. Next, take away the 175% damage to all monsters. There is not a single champion besides Darius where everything they do deals more damage to all monsters. In fact, many champions actually deal LESS damage to monsters with some abilities. This also makes very little sense given Darius' backstory, where his whole thing is that he's good at fighting PEOPLE.
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BlackRoseGirl (5) | April 9, 2020 9:16pm
No problem :3
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DjapeFromSerbia (15) | March 31, 2020 8:20pm
Agree!
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