Hardest Champion Tier List Patch 11.4

I play both camille and Orianna, I have lvl 7 on both and from my expirience, Both orianna and camille are are hard, but there is a twist... From what I've played I've realized that the Laning phase with Orianna is very hard and you basecly play for the first 3 levels where you have an advantage, and your late game, Orianna lane can be extrimly hard and when they are using a counter pick you just afk farm undertower basecaly, Camille for the other hand I found much easier than orianna in the lanning phase but while orianna is nopt that hard on teamfights as long u have a good engager, camille is much hard in the teamfights... 90% of the games u will be the engager, and I don't have much experience, this is based on my gameplay and I'm not saying you are rong or right, just sharing

Camille should definitely be A tier but S tier is too much honestly. She is easier than Fiora by a LOT. She is like Fiora that doesnt ahve liability to time her defensive tool correctly and dont need that much mechanical skill to pull her off in more intensive situations. Tbh, there isnt a lot of these situations at all. But ye, she still should be that A tier while lot of champs listed as A tier shouldnt be there like Zoe and other artillery mages and kench. Kinda ridiculous.

I think that Aphelios is easy to use but hard to master. Aphelios can be around average difficulty if you just focus on gun synergy and comboing the guns you currently has. But he gets far more difficult when you try to master everything he can do. You’ve gotta manage your ammo, figure out gun synergy, plan out what gun combination you wanna use next while also setting up a swap combo so you can maximize your damage, combo your ult with you abilities, figure out if you wanna use up a gun to farm or if you want to kill someone with it, and position correctly so you don’t get popped like a balloon a few days after a birthday party. It's not extremely complicated, given time all the planning and management can become easy, but that doesn’t mean that he is easy to use. I legitimately got a headache after playing him for the first time. To be fair, I’m not very good and have only been playing him for a few weeks so my experience is limited, and in the end having more experience may make him easier.

I do think Viego should be in B tier though, just like Sylas.

You were probably vs bots, even the top singed mains normally don't go positive.

As someone who has few hundreds of games on Rengar, I gotta say that Riven is harder. Rengar being mechanically hard is just misconception. You just need to know how to abuse his kit properly from macro perspective. You just need to know the situations you are in and how to play into them. Mechanically nothing hard. He is just about knowhow you build over the time and sticking to it. Basically decision making. Sure he can be mechanically rewarding and you can pull some interesting stuff but its far from being mandatory and very situational. Riven has more combos and need some practice and then there is each situation you are in. Sure she can turn off her brain since she doesnt have to think about macro and etc. like Rengar and her combos are just muscle memory that can be autopiloted but she takes actively more effort to pull off.

Irelia is just harder to pick up than Fiora. In lower elos ppl dont even know what Fiora does but at some point Fiora is even harder to master than Irelia since not only you have mechanics but also against Fiora you can really easily learn how to play around her W and he is screwed. Literally any form of CC fks Fiora even slows. Irelia need proper wavemanagement to pull her off which is unique when it comes to champ management but outside of hardoutplaying your opponent, all you need is 5 stacks. How drututt says it: "Irelia just needs 5 stacks and she is ready to invade any country in the world." He is bit biased toward her but she sure hit like a truck with passive and unlike in past she is now more played into on-hit AA melee god monstrosity. Irelia is harder to pilot in later stages from macro perspective cuz you cant get 5 stacks without minions nearby but so Fiora is mechanically even harder. Also about hecarim and Darius. With Darius I agree cuz trying to simply running champs down like brainless idiot will get you so far and getting used to Q to consistently hit it against even little bit more mobile champs also takes time. But in case of hecarim I dont see any reason as to why he should be higher than morde. I play both champs and I am top/jg main and I understand that in jungle having good macro and game understanding is more of requirement than it is on toplane and hecarim is about abusing his hit in right situation, which doesnt seem like much in comparison to others in general but against morde who can turn his brain off and just spam abilities off cooldown it definitely is change worth notice but still thats more about champions in roles than the champions per se. Also about Ezreal. That he is harder than traditional adcs doesnt inherently make him harder than other champs from different roles. I would even argue that someone like ashe is harder just by pure virtue that ezreal has escape and unlike DPS based champs he doesnt need to position so properly. So his only skill expression comes purely from skillshots and limit of his kit. I would let him stay in B tier or low A tier but definitely no S tier where he is by now.

Cuz against dumb fks it always gonna work like that, on any champion. Any half decent human being wont let you do as you please and punish you for mistake. Only against expressly idiots you can afford to miss your parry, that you get punished on ur lil aatrox for missing Q is just hardcore bias just due to importance of her W in her kit and her numbers that are far from sufficient to play without any sort of defensive ability. Especially early game.


Not until lategame where you matter so much that you are just cannon minion anywhere else than 1v1 situation.



If you lose trade or teamfight due to missing spammable ability then that speaks for your skill level and skill level of your opponents. Moreover then you go and talk sh;t about how Fiora, a numerically inferior first 15 minutes but squishier next 15, how she can afford to not give a fk about her only defensive tool and on long CD to top it off.

Truly hardcore bias from butthurt monke playing against even bigger losers.