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Hello everyone!
For a few days I was looking for my secondary team role (in case I won't be able to play support). And since I can't play AP casters (I fail terribly), can't go anywhere near top lane (I always feed like a gravid pig) and I find playing ADC boring, I think about learning how to jungle.
And therefore I bought
Fiddlesticks. I read about him being good in jungling, although now he is not so popular, but I hoped he will be good for learning and if he fails, I still got another aggresive support for my main role. So no problem there.
It's just I can't find any good guide about jungle Fiddlesticks. All those I found on MOBAfire were written by some random people, not even ranked. And those few I read were quite bad.
So here are some questions for you, people who play jungle as your main role:
I tried some bot games with him and he is not bad. Thanks to drain, he doesn't need life potions (maybe 1 just to be sure), but is very mana-hungry. And with his fear and silence abilities he may be able even to withstand a clash with enemy jungler (I think). But how is it in real life? Is he still good for jungling? For ganks and jungle control? Would you play ranked games with Fiddlesticks as a jungler? Or should I "stick" to the supporting role with him?
Before you start - I know it depends mostly about who do you like, and how do you like to jungle (aggresive, defensive, in between...). But I am sure there are generally some champions that are slightly easier for jungling, than the others. Maybe I should say it like this - which champions have such abilities and are so good, that even a noob like me can jungle with them? What would you recommend for me as a first champ for learning how to jungle? From all the junglers I saw in pvp so far, I liked Shyvana and Tryndamere and I definately didn't like Nasus. Or maybe those invisible guys like Evelynn or Shaco could be good, hmm? But I would like to see your recommendations.
With S4 changes I am not sure what to take. My first thought was to go for Sweeping Lens as it can reveal enemy wards and make sure I am not standing for a gank in a warded place. And it is a free counter-warding item. But the 1 min cooldown is insane.
The other option is Stealth Ward. Free wards to keep an eye on the enemy movement and jungle spawns. And later on I can upgrade it to either 3 free wards or that pink one which can reveal hidden wards nearby. But is visible. I can't say what is better. Really can't. I hope you can help me out.
I am not asking for basic advice, because since I follow my own ultimate noob advice, I already saw videos and read basic tips for jungling. Even though they are for S3, some stuff is still vital. I would prefer some ideas about new S4 jungle, new ways of jungling, routes and such. If you don't mind :P
EDIT: I knew I forgott something...
I saw some junglers not taking Smite as their second spell, since they can clear the jungle without it. Therefore they can take another useful summoner's spell, but - aren't they missing out? Smite proves useful when slaying dragon and baron, which are mid and late game objectives. Without this spell they can't steal enemy objectives. So what is better? Take it always or just with some junglers?
These are my 5 questins for you, junglers, and I would appreciate any thoughts about this, as I would like to be a good jungler, to help my team win.
For a few days I was looking for my secondary team role (in case I won't be able to play support). And since I can't play AP casters (I fail terribly), can't go anywhere near top lane (I always feed like a gravid pig) and I find playing ADC boring, I think about learning how to jungle.
And therefore I bought
Fiddlesticks. I read about him being good in jungling, although now he is not so popular, but I hoped he will be good for learning and if he fails, I still got another aggresive support for my main role. So no problem there.It's just I can't find any good guide about jungle
Fiddlesticks. All those I found on MOBAfire were written by some random people, not even ranked. And those few I read were quite bad.So here are some questions for you, people who play jungle as your main role:
1. Is Fiddlesticks still good for jungling?
I tried some bot games with him and he is not bad. Thanks to drain, he doesn't need life potions (maybe 1 just to be sure), but is very mana-hungry. And with his fear and silence abilities he may be able even to withstand a clash with enemy jungler (I think). But how is it in real life? Is he still good for jungling? For ganks and jungle control? Would you play ranked games with
Fiddlesticks as a jungler? Or should I "stick" to the supporting role with him?2. Which champion is good for jungling?
Before you start - I know it depends mostly about who do you like, and how do you like to jungle (aggresive, defensive, in between...). But I am sure there are generally some champions that are slightly easier for jungling, than the others. Maybe I should say it like this - which champions have such abilities and are so good, that even a noob like me can jungle with them? What would you recommend for me as a first champ for learning how to jungle? From all the junglers I saw in pvp so far, I liked
Shyvana and Tryndamere and I definately didn't like Nasus. Or maybe those invisible guys like Evelynn or Shaco could be good, hmm? But I would like to see your recommendations.3. Trinket
With S4 changes I am not sure what to take. My first thought was to go for
Sweeping Lens as it can reveal enemy wards and make sure I am not standing for a gank in a warded place. And it is a free counter-warding item. But the 1 min cooldown is insane.The other option is
Stealth Ward. Free wards to keep an eye on the enemy movement and jungle spawns. And later on I can upgrade it to either 3 free wards or that pink one which can reveal hidden wards nearby. But is visible. I can't say what is better. Really can't. I hope you can help me out.4. Any other jungle thoughts?
I am not asking for basic advice, because since I follow my own ultimate noob advice, I already saw videos and read basic tips for jungling. Even though they are for S3, some stuff is still vital. I would prefer some ideas about new S4 jungle, new ways of jungling, routes and such. If you don't mind :P
EDIT: I knew I forgott something...
5. Smite?
I saw some junglers not taking
Smite as their second spell, since they can clear the jungle without it. Therefore they can take another useful summoner's spell, but - aren't they missing out? Smite proves useful when slaying dragon and baron, which are mid and late game objectives. Without this spell they can't steal enemy objectives. So what is better? Take it always or just with some junglers?These are my 5 questins for you, junglers, and I would appreciate any thoughts about this, as I would like to be a good jungler, to help my team win.
For now, I am jungling with
But I must say I really like jungling. Didn't know how fun role it is :D
2. Shyvana like you said is great i would recommend picking her up, Nocturne is also good, Evelynn is good with the new changes, J4 isnt as great as he was in the last season since farming > ganking but hes still a strong pick, i would personally stay away from shaco, hes like fiddlesticks where you need practice to be good with him
3. i like to get lens because youll always want to be able to clear wards, yes it has a huge cooldown but its well worth it, the blue trinket is "ok" but it only lasts for one second so its ok to see if a junglers camp is up or not, and the ward trinket is ok too because its a ward, but to me you can still just buy wards and with red trinket you can kill/disable wards
4. like everyone else said get the jungle items, you need them, also make sure you keep timers on your jungle camps, if your on blue team and your red buff is up do not gank top unless you want to risk having your red buff stolen, if your blue buff is up try to gank mid lane so that your can give it to your mid laner (or not whatever), also make sure you tax minion waves and if you force a recall push the lane, your laner might be angry and tell you not to but just ignore him its much better for the team if you push the lane and deny experience, one more thing, if dragon is up and the jungler goes top lane and its around 6-8 minutes ping dragon and do it with your bot lane (make sure they push the lane, mid lane can help too if needed)
5. If i was playing a game against you and you didnt bring smite you can bet your *** im going to steal every single one of your buffs, and you will not be getting dragon or baron unless im dead so bring smite if youre jungling there is no reason not to and youre only putting your team at a disadvantage by not getting it
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3. I personally like
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5. ALWAYS SMITE. ALWAYS.
He's midcast, not the best, but not the worst either. I'd imagine him fairing a bit better in the new jungle. He has bad ganks before 6 (basically only lane gank is possible before
2. Which champion is good for jungling?
Throatslasher's tier list is acurate on this one.
3. Trinket
It's situational. For example, if I'm facing a Shaco, I take ward trinket so I can ward my own red when starting blue. Lens is good if and active ganker like
4. Any other jungle thoughts?
Pick up a jungle item (
5. Smite?
Smite is a must if you run a jungler in your team. It significantly easens a jungler's clear in season 4 early on due to the low cooldown.
okay I've played two games where we had double top but I'm rolling with the whole S4 sucks no junglers thing
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only trinkets you should be using are lens or totem. depends on the matchup really.
evelynn imo is really strong now because pinks are visible and are therefore cleared quickly...more or less she is no longer seen till she is in lane killing you. for starting jungling? i think vi is pretty easy to use and her mechanics are easy to pick up...or xin zhao...he is pretty easy to start with. fiddlesticks is still a decent jungle. i haven't played him in s4 but i have seen him played. just be careful early on. if the enemy jungler is smart he will counter jungle you cause you are fairly weak early.
other thoughts? jungle is still finding its place in s4/preseason. people are still feeling it out. kinda still changing by the day. kind of weak to be honest right now. just not enough gold generation imo. also the fact that there is no fog of war due to free wards...ganks need a little more creativity...