Views: 957 Moon's Tier List of OP Champs - Week 1 - 5/22/12
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Cassiopeia, Fiora, Fizz, Irelia, Jax, Mordekaiser, Nautilus, Ryze, Singed, Udyr, Vladimir, Yorick
I'm going to focus on chamoions that perhaps aren't seen by many people as OP but also adding champions that are truly OP for various reasons.
Tier 1: Vladimir, Mordekaiser, Ryze
Tier 2: Singed, Cassiopeia, Udyr
Tier 3: Irelia, Jax, Nautilus
Tier 4: Fizz, Yorick, Fiora
- I think Vlad is currently the most broken champion in the game right now. There's no one even in the ballpark if you ask me. His passive gives him so many free stats, and considering he only really needs 3 stats (hp, ap, and CDR) it's not like he's going out of the way to get those stats, like Hecarim does for movement speed. Additionally, his damage which already scales upon his tankiness gets more ******ed with the amount of damage ramp he gets. His Tides of Blood scale incredibly well, and if that isn't enough for you Hemoplague will certainly put it over the top. And it's not just his damage, but he has this innate tankiness to him through his sustain and Sanguine Pool. To me, pool is a toxic ability in the game, basically any ability that takes you off the map completely is to me. I wouldn't say so much with Fiora and Master Yi as Vlad or Fizz, because they require an enemy to use their abilities. Transfusion allows you to trade very well, and the amount of sustain you get from it becomes ******ed with Will of the Ancients; it should not stack the heal. Oh by the way, if you've been keeping your Tides up you'll get even more healing, as if he needs it.
- Here's a champion that I find toxic for various reasons. The first is perhaps the main reason, he can't be beat in a 1v1 situation. The only champion that can beat him 1v1 is probably Cassiopeia and that's a fairly small window between levels 1-4 when she can beat him. After Hextech Revolver you can't really push him out of lane. While I acknowledge that junglers can be a nightmare for Morde. Do you realize how hard it is to get a random, solo-queue player to take the advice and constantly gank a Morde? It's near impossible, the problem I have is you rely so much on an outside force to help you win lane. Any champion that requires a 2v1 to win lane is fundamentally broken to me. You shouldn't be forced to rely on outside forces to win a lane, you should be able to find a counter pick at the very least who can beat the champion 1v1.
- They changed him a little bit, and if you ask me he's stronger than he was. Building RoA was decent before, but now it's great. The spell vamp on his ult was huge, it allows him to stay in lane without relying on Catalyst and health pots to regen. I don't really think he can be pushed out of lane at the moment, especially if he's runed very well.
- I put singed in here because like Mordekaiser he requires a 2v1 to win lane, even then he's incredibly difficult to beat. He pushes lane pretty well, he might overextend, but once against you're reliant on your jungler to stop him, because if you try he'll punish you badly. You can win lane and still lose. I recently went 2-0 on a Singed and was ahead by 20 cs by 15 minutes, and still lost the game because of a singed. I didn't end up dying in lane but singed wound up 17-3 to give you a clue how the rest of the game went. Some people say push objectives while he has to farm to catch up, but do you realize how reliant you are on your teammates to be doing well in lane? If you need the jungler to 2v1 the lane to get ahead, then you'll lose alot of pressure mid and bot. Which sets them up to lose lane. Even going mid or bot to force an objective in a 2v1 or 2v3 is still incredibly difficult if the lane isn't even or won. To me, singed just requires way too much team coordination and you to be at an advantage constantly to deal with him. You essentially have to win both bot and mid and then 2v1 the lane top, just to deal with him, that's retadrded.
- yep, she has relatively no counters, a great toolkit and insane damage. I honestly think if they make minor tweaks to her numbers she would be fine, the problem is right now landing a Noxious Blast can auto-win you lane. Landing one forces the opponent to back off for fear of Twin Fang. Even then Noxious Blast does incredible damage on it's on. You get punished for playing well by backing off when hit with a Q through CS denial and pretty high damage. You get punished for playing poorly by a hail of Twin Fangs on top of the Q damage. There isn't really much upside to the lane other than dodging a Q. To me it seems kind of like crit. Landing one early crit could win you lane, well the same is true for Cass, landing one Q can win you lane, it shouldn't be like that.
- a top tier jungler, fine. A ridiculous top that can deal half your hp with Tiger dot? come on now riot. Both Tiger Form and Phoenix form have incredible damage. To me Phoenix should be for fast AoE clear while Tiger is for dps. I think you should have a decision to make when chosing a stance. Right now you kind of do, but chosing Phoenix isn't punishing enough. Your damagae is nearly as high as Tiger, if not higher at times. You should be forced to make a sacrifice when chosing each one. If you choose Phoenix then you lose out on single target dps, if you choose Tiger you should lose out on AoE and wave clear. Also turtle has a little high sustain, take it down slightly and that will be back on par.
- I chose to include Irelia because of her late game. It's still out of control, her early game isn't as strong as it used to be, but I don't think it's bad by any means. Her late game is ridiculous. There's nothing that can stop Irelia from getting to the carry. Her CC reduction because of her ultimate, the dash, and the slow/stun all make it so easy to dispose of the AD quickly. Like many assassin champions she's built to dismantle carries, I get that, but she becomes so incredibly tanky, she gets so many free stats, and still does the damage.
- I think Jax might be Tier 2 material, I don't know for sure. After level 7 you auto lose lane. His Empower is on like a 4 second cooldown by then and does incredibly damage. You can't really win trades at this point. I think he's back to hypercarry status but more so than say Tryndamere. I think his laning phase is much stronger but that's mainly due to empower, if they just scaled down the damage a bit I think this problem could be solved.
- CC (check), tanky (check), damage (check), good ratios (check). I mean honestly, what does this guy not have? The only flaw in his jungling is a minorly weak 1-4, but once he starts ganking he makes up for it. His laning is also strong past level 4 or so. He just has so much to his kit, I think the main problem is how much damage he can deal with how tanky he is. Might need to be scaled down quite a bit.
- I hate assassins so I may be biased against this one, but Fizz] has a lot going for him in my opinion. He's the only champion that can tower dive at level 2 with no consequence. His dash + troll pole make it so easy. He has great single target dps. Troll pole is a toxic skill in the game, I don't know why riot is adding more of these type of abilities into the game. They came out quite long ago saying vlad's pool was toxic gameplay yet they don't even heed their own statements. It doesn't make sense to me. The main problem I have is his single target damage and troll pole. I get that assassins are supposed to kill carries quickly, but does [[Urchin Strike and Seastone Trident really need to do 500+ damage a piece? I think the ult is fine, I have no problem with shark or it's damage, it just seems like his other abilities hit too hard or have aton of utility. There is pretty much no consequence to going in with Fizz. you'll get away unless it's a 5v1 and the enemy has tons of CC. Troll pole makes it literally impossible to kill a well played Fizz.
- He wins lane, I get that he falls off, but no one counters him. His current best counter is probably trundle, and trundle doesn't necessarily win, he might not lose but he doesn't win. the ghouls are just so annoying. Omen of Pestilence and Omen of Famine could do a little less, slow a little less, and heal a little less then I think it would bring him up in line. The only reason why support yorick wins is because his ghouls do so much damage and are so hard to deal with. It's not like he actually has a kit for supporting other than his ult. So that kind of tells you what an issue he can be.
- I don't think she's particularly great outside of lane, but her laning phase is so strong. She gets aton of passive AD from Riposte and trying to trade with her is near impossible if you're melee. Even if you're range, you be better be a ranged caster like Vladimir or Kennen. I think the main problem is she discourages trading damage based on one ability, Riposte. I know she's supposed to be a dualist, but if you can't win a trade because of 1 ability pre-6 then you have an issue. After 6 she has her ultimate which also discourages trading. I'm not saying she should be weak to encourage trading blows, but the fact that you're discouraged from trading with her because of essentially 2 abilities in her kit is a problem. You could say that Jax is similar because of Counterstrike, but the difference is in the ability overall. Riposte provides more than just a parry, it provides passive AD. So not only is your attack totally negated, but you're dealt the damage it would normally deal. So essentially you're hit twice while she is hit 0 times. Burst of Speed and Lunge already give you a massive advantage, but Riposte and her ult just kind of push it over the top.
We'll thats all I got, I may have to refine this list soon
Cassiopeia, Fiora, Fizz, Irelia, Jax, Mordekaiser, Nautilus, Ryze, Singed, Udyr, Vladimir, YorickI'm going to focus on chamoions that perhaps aren't seen by many people as OP but also adding champions that are truly OP for various reasons.
Tier 1:
Vladimir, Mordekaiser, RyzeTier 2:
Singed, Cassiopeia, UdyrTier 3:
Irelia, Jax, NautilusTier 4:
Fizz, Yorick, Fiora
- I think Vlad is currently the most broken champion in the game right now. There's no one even in the ballpark if you ask me. His passive gives him so many free stats, and considering he only really needs 3 stats (hp, ap, and CDR) it's not like he's going out of the way to get those stats, like Hecarim does for movement speed. Additionally, his damage which already scales upon his tankiness gets more ******ed with the amount of damage ramp he gets. His Tides of Blood scale incredibly well, and if that isn't enough for you Hemoplague will certainly put it over the top. And it's not just his damage, but he has this innate tankiness to him through his sustain and Sanguine Pool. To me, pool is a toxic ability in the game, basically any ability that takes you off the map completely is to me. I wouldn't say so much with Fiora and Master Yi as Vlad or Fizz, because they require an enemy to use their abilities. Transfusion allows you to trade very well, and the amount of sustain you get from it becomes ******ed with Will of the Ancients; it should not stack the heal. Oh by the way, if you've been keeping your Tides up you'll get even more healing, as if he needs it.
- Here's a champion that I find toxic for various reasons. The first is perhaps the main reason, he can't be beat in a 1v1 situation. The only champion that can beat him 1v1 is probably Cassiopeia and that's a fairly small window between levels 1-4 when she can beat him. After Hextech Revolver you can't really push him out of lane. While I acknowledge that junglers can be a nightmare for Morde. Do you realize how hard it is to get a random, solo-queue player to take the advice and constantly gank a Morde? It's near impossible, the problem I have is you rely so much on an outside force to help you win lane. Any champion that requires a 2v1 to win lane is fundamentally broken to me. You shouldn't be forced to rely on outside forces to win a lane, you should be able to find a counter pick at the very least who can beat the champion 1v1.
- They changed him a little bit, and if you ask me he's stronger than he was. Building RoA was decent before, but now it's great. The spell vamp on his ult was huge, it allows him to stay in lane without relying on Catalyst and health pots to regen. I don't really think he can be pushed out of lane at the moment, especially if he's runed very well.
- I put singed in here because like Mordekaiser he requires a 2v1 to win lane, even then he's incredibly difficult to beat. He pushes lane pretty well, he might overextend, but once against you're reliant on your jungler to stop him, because if you try he'll punish you badly. You can win lane and still lose. I recently went 2-0 on a Singed and was ahead by 20 cs by 15 minutes, and still lost the game because of a singed. I didn't end up dying in lane but singed wound up 17-3 to give you a clue how the rest of the game went. Some people say push objectives while he has to farm to catch up, but do you realize how reliant you are on your teammates to be doing well in lane? If you need the jungler to 2v1 the lane to get ahead, then you'll lose alot of pressure mid and bot. Which sets them up to lose lane. Even going mid or bot to force an objective in a 2v1 or 2v3 is still incredibly difficult if the lane isn't even or won. To me, singed just requires way too much team coordination and you to be at an advantage constantly to deal with him. You essentially have to win both bot and mid and then 2v1 the lane top, just to deal with him, that's retadrded.
- yep, she has relatively no counters, a great toolkit and insane damage. I honestly think if they make minor tweaks to her numbers she would be fine, the problem is right now landing a Noxious Blast can auto-win you lane. Landing one forces the opponent to back off for fear of Twin Fang. Even then Noxious Blast does incredible damage on it's on. You get punished for playing well by backing off when hit with a Q through CS denial and pretty high damage. You get punished for playing poorly by a hail of Twin Fangs on top of the Q damage. There isn't really much upside to the lane other than dodging a Q. To me it seems kind of like crit. Landing one early crit could win you lane, well the same is true for Cass, landing one Q can win you lane, it shouldn't be like that.
- a top tier jungler, fine. A ridiculous top that can deal half your hp with Tiger dot? come on now riot. Both Tiger Form and Phoenix form have incredible damage. To me Phoenix should be for fast AoE clear while Tiger is for dps. I think you should have a decision to make when chosing a stance. Right now you kind of do, but chosing Phoenix isn't punishing enough. Your damagae is nearly as high as Tiger, if not higher at times. You should be forced to make a sacrifice when chosing each one. If you choose Phoenix then you lose out on single target dps, if you choose Tiger you should lose out on AoE and wave clear. Also turtle has a little high sustain, take it down slightly and that will be back on par.
- I chose to include Irelia because of her late game. It's still out of control, her early game isn't as strong as it used to be, but I don't think it's bad by any means. Her late game is ridiculous. There's nothing that can stop Irelia from getting to the carry. Her CC reduction because of her ultimate, the dash, and the slow/stun all make it so easy to dispose of the AD quickly. Like many assassin champions she's built to dismantle carries, I get that, but she becomes so incredibly tanky, she gets so many free stats, and still does the damage.
- I think Jax might be Tier 2 material, I don't know for sure. After level 7 you auto lose lane. His Empower is on like a 4 second cooldown by then and does incredibly damage. You can't really win trades at this point. I think he's back to hypercarry status but more so than say Tryndamere. I think his laning phase is much stronger but that's mainly due to empower, if they just scaled down the damage a bit I think this problem could be solved.
- CC (check), tanky (check), damage (check), good ratios (check). I mean honestly, what does this guy not have? The only flaw in his jungling is a minorly weak 1-4, but once he starts ganking he makes up for it. His laning is also strong past level 4 or so. He just has so much to his kit, I think the main problem is how much damage he can deal with how tanky he is. Might need to be scaled down quite a bit.
- I hate assassins so I may be biased against this one, but Fizz] has a lot going for him in my opinion. He's the only champion that can tower dive at level 2 with no consequence. His dash + troll pole make it so easy. He has great single target dps. Troll pole is a toxic skill in the game, I don't know why riot is adding more of these type of abilities into the game. They came out quite long ago saying vlad's pool was toxic gameplay yet they don't even heed their own statements. It doesn't make sense to me. The main problem I have is his single target damage and troll pole. I get that assassins are supposed to kill carries quickly, but does [[Urchin Strike and Seastone Trident really need to do 500+ damage a piece? I think the ult is fine, I have no problem with shark or it's damage, it just seems like his other abilities hit too hard or have aton of utility. There is pretty much no consequence to going in with Fizz. you'll get away unless it's a 5v1 and the enemy has tons of CC. Troll pole makes it literally impossible to kill a well played Fizz.
- He wins lane, I get that he falls off, but no one counters him. His current best counter is probably trundle, and trundle doesn't necessarily win, he might not lose but he doesn't win. the ghouls are just so annoying. Omen of Pestilence and Omen of Famine could do a little less, slow a little less, and heal a little less then I think it would bring him up in line. The only reason why support yorick wins is because his ghouls do so much damage and are so hard to deal with. It's not like he actually has a kit for supporting other than his ult. So that kind of tells you what an issue he can be.
- I don't think she's particularly great outside of lane, but her laning phase is so strong. She gets aton of passive AD from Riposte and trying to trade with her is near impossible if you're melee. Even if you're range, you be better be a ranged caster like Vladimir or Kennen. I think the main problem is she discourages trading damage based on one ability, Riposte. I know she's supposed to be a dualist, but if you can't win a trade because of 1 ability pre-6 then you have an issue. After 6 she has her ultimate which also discourages trading. I'm not saying she should be weak to encourage trading blows, but the fact that you're discouraged from trading with her because of essentially 2 abilities in her kit is a problem. You could say that Jax is similar because of Counterstrike, but the difference is in the ability overall. Riposte provides more than just a parry, it provides passive AD. So not only is your attack totally negated, but you're dealt the damage it would normally deal. So essentially you're hit twice while she is hit 0 times. Burst of Speed and Lunge already give you a massive advantage, but Riposte and her ult just kind of push it over the top.We'll thats all I got, I may have to refine this list soon
I agree with the assessment that jax is too low
About the champions :
Singed: You should be able to shut him down in lane hard early. If he is able to get ahead at lower levels you are doing something wrong. If he falls behind and is able to come back that means, A. The advantage was not pressed, or B. Your team decided they just felt like feeding him.
Mordekaiser: Very easy to deal with in lane if you have a champion with a strong engage. You can come at him from the right and force him to either use his damage on the minions for alot of shield or use it on you for damage.
Fiora: In lane only her early levels are decently strong and then still she falls off mid game. Its funny you say she falls of in teamfights because that is when she picks up with her ult.
Everyone has their pet peve champions they hate to fight though and think are OP. For the longest time I thought shaco was the most OP BS ever, then I played ranked 5s and found he sucks vs good teams lol.