Champions that you gave up on

[quote=Savlonic][quote=Hatted] Apparently Tanky Evelynn's pretty good. No idea if it works in the new jungle but the ones I saw do real damage were kinda like Elise.[/quote] [[Evelynn]] in current iteration of preseason jungle is just flat out trash compared to season 4. Surviving it is very brutal, before invades are taken account for, but yes, post [[Hate spike]] nerf she's much better off building tanky, only occasionally building one damage item which usually defaulted to [[Hexdrinker]]/6th item finish[[Maw of Malmortius]] due to it providing defense stats as well. [[Blade of the Ruined king]] was okay too if you were fed but ultimately tanky was the way to go in the end.[/quote]

[quote=FantasySniper][[Soraka]]. Because why pick her when I can pick [[Sona]]? [[Ashe]]. I don't know what it is, but I can't for the life of me succeed with her enough to justify picking her. I see the guy next to me killing everything in sight with god-arrows, and I whiff 'em at point-blank. [[Kayle]] and [[Twisted Fate]]. I know they're awesome, and they have a special niche in the jungle, but I never end up picking them. I find their AA-oriented playstyle to be too risky for me in lane.[/quote]

[quote=The_Nameless_Bard][quote=FantasySniper][[Soraka]]. Because why pick her when I can pick [[Sona]]?[/quote][[Soraka]] and [[Sona]] have virtually nothing in common besides the fact that they both have healing skills (which [[Soraka]] is still superior to [[Sona]] in that department), so comparing them like that is stupid. It's more like "Why play [[Sona]] when you can just play [[Nami]]?", because [[Nami]] does everything [[Sona]] does from a longer range, while being less squishy early game, and she actually has hard CC pre-six. :P[/quote]

[quote=FalseoGod][[Cassiopeia]]'s latest patch ruined her even more. Your opponent is either a moron who can't dodge any skillshots or you'll never stack timely. Jesus Christ is it that hard to allow me to stack on poisoned last hits?[/quote]

[quote=FantasySniper][quote=The_Nameless_Bard][quote=FantasySniper][[Soraka]]. Because why pick her when I can pick [[Sona]]?[/quote][[Soraka]] and [[Sona]] have virtually nothing in common besides the fact that they both have healing skills (which [[Soraka]] is still superior to [[Sona]] in that department), so comparing them like that is stupid. It's more like "Why play [[Sona]] when you can just play [[Nami]]?", because [[Nami]] does everything [[Sona]] does from a longer range, while being less squishy early game, and she actually has hard CC pre-six. :P[/quote] I don't easily compare them. It's just that they have a similar poke/heal playstyle, but with [[Sona]] it's easier to work within groups and it lets you scale better. I actually find [[Sona]] to be less squishy than [[Nami]]. She may have less base health, but with her consistent zoning and sustain, she can survive better in most cases. I would pick [[Nami]] over [[Sona]] when we need a strong counter-engage and want fights over fast. If the fights are going to be skirmish-y/extended, [[Sona]] will work better, especially against poke comps.[/quote]

[quote=Toshabi][[gnar]] let's face it, he was just for the dinosaur onesy.[/quote]

[quote=The_Nameless_Bard][quote=FantasySniper]I don't easily compare them. It's just that they have a similar poke/heal playstyle, but with [[Sona]] it's easier to work within groups and it lets you scale better.[/quote]The first two sentences are completely oxymoronic. Either they're not easily compared or they're similar, you can't have it both ways. xD [[Soraka]] becomes less about poking and more about sustaining unless you're at a definite advantage, that's really not what [[Sona]] does and if you want to do that with [[Sona]] she's going to blatantly not be as good a healer as [[Soraka]]. [quote]I actually find [[Sona]] to be less squishy than [[Nami]]. She may have less base health, but with her consistent zoning and sustain, she can survive better in most cases. I would pick [[Nami]] over [[Sona]] when we need a strong counter-engage and want fights over fast. If the fights are going to be skirmish-y/extended, [[Sona]] will work better, especially against poke comps.[/quote]That doesn't change the fact that [[Nami]] seems to generally be considered better. She easily zones from a greater range, has more mana efficient/consistent sustain in the long run, has the ability to initiate trades herself pre-six because she has [[Aqua Prison]] (allowing her to better capitalize on enemy mistakes), and her ultimate is much more variable and doesn't stick her, an innately squishy champion, in fairly close range. [[Sona]] being easier to play than [[Nami]] doesn't make her better, it only makes her easier. I like [[Sona]] btw and she's not bad or anything, this isn't about that. [[Janna]]/[[Thresh]]/[[Nami]] are still the three best supports in the game afaik (with [[Morgana]] not too far behind, even now) though, whereas [[Sona]] has definite issues with all of those champions (if they're played properly) besides [[Janna]] because she's squishy, has inefficient sustain, isn't very mobile, and has no real counterengage in lane pre-six besides a slow.[/quote]

[quote=sirell][[riven]], fuck that bitch.[/quote]

[quote=Darealone][[zed]]. I pressed W then gave up...[/quote]

[quote=DillButt64][quote=Savlonic][quote=Hatted] Apparently Tanky Evelynn's pretty good. No idea if it works in the new jungle but the ones I saw do real damage were kinda like Elise.[/quote] [[Evelynn]] in current iteration of preseason jungle is just flat out trash compared to season 4. Surviving it is very brutal, before invades are taken account for, but yes, post [[Hate spike]] nerf she's much better off building tanky, only occasionally building one damage item which usually defaulted to [[Hexdrinker]]/6th item finish[[Maw of Malmortius]] due to it providing defense stats as well. [[Blade of the Ruined king]] was okay too if you were fed but ultimately tanky was the way to go in the end.[/quote] ive actually having some success with eve following what this guy posted on reddit http://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/2ow9zb/evelynn_dont_give_up_on_her_yet_xpost_from the extra red potion you get plus the spell vamp helps keep you alive in the jungle for the first clear and doesnt really take away from your damage too much but i will admit that shes worse off than before[/quote]