New Black Cleaver and Randuin's Omen

[quote=FalseoGod][quote=MungoGeri]It seems like the [[randuin's omen]] change is designed to help fighter/bruiser types. When I read the changes, I kept thinking of [[rek'sai]]. It gives him some survivability while slowing enemies so they won't get away and some extra attack speed to help him burst enemies down. I won't miss [[randuin's omen]] on my tanks, because it wasn't in my tank builds to begin with. It's nice that Riot is giving melee players who dive a good item - [[rek'sai]], [[jarvan iv]], [[vi]], [[lee sin]], [[wukong]] and the like should be very happy.[/quote] The point was that they do not need it. All those champions have a really strong window of early game dominance opportunities and new Randuin will only increase it[/quote]

[quote=NicknameMy]Did anyone note that [[the black cleaver]] phage procs on [b]physical damage[/b] rather than auto attacks only? Garen with his movement speed boost while spinning :D. [quote]http://www.reddit.com/r/LeagueofLegendsMeta/comments/321322/the_new_black_cleaver_on_pbe_thoughts/cqd07ad For my part, I tested the combination of Stalker's Blade - Cinderhulk and then this item on top lane Garen, it works out wonders. Cinderhulk is a great first item as it greatly increases your damage and your tankyness, same goes for The Black Cleaver afterwards. Your midgame fight control with that combo is just insane and due to the high penetration, even your lategame carries are usefull at this stage of the game. Afterwards I fill up the build with the new Randuin's Omen, Spirit Visage and Warmog's Armor and get unbelievable tanky. I even max W second just to be longer immortal. Of course, you can swap out Spirit Visage for Maw of Malmortius or Warmog's Armor for either a Last Whisper or Infinity Edge if you need more damage, but Garens role is in first line to soft the tanks so your carry can destroy them while you can't be destroyed by their carries and take their fire. Comparing the old Cleaver to the new one, it is definitly stronger in this aspect. First, the cleaver has more armor reduction, second you are more tanky and third you can stay close to anyone as the movement speed procs on your spin. And if something dies you could quickly turn your attention onto the carries and be a big threat to them as well. You could also easily go deep with the chilling smite.[/quote][/quote]

[quote=NicknameMy][quote=Embracing]Varus's and Garen's issues aren't in item builds :o[/quote] Dat feeling now tho We already saw how efficient the actual Black Cleaver is in shredding tanks, they just melted on Varus damage and penetration. Think now about the New Black Cleaver on many off tanks shredding through all kinds of tanks, killing them. This could definitly change the meta again.[/quote]

[quote=Stylistical]Both seem a little unnecessary to me, but I like them both. Someone already mentioned but, Hammer[icon=Phage size=17] + Crystal[icon=Ruby Crystal size=17] = Axe[icon=The Black Cleaver size=17] gg rito, logic on fleek.[/quote]