Early Lane Holds as Jungler

[quote=VexRoth]If you have a laner die really early, assuming you are close to the lane it happened in, should you bother holding their lane since the enemy laner probably will not be able to do that much damage to the tower? I know lane XP and gold is nummy for a jungler, but maybe not worth it in certain circumstances? I need to review the vid to see exactly what happened, but I lost half my jungle to a [[Graves]] jungle while holding mid lane for our [[Fizz]] that couldn't seem to figure out he couldn't jump on their mid [[Shaco]] because [[Jack In The Box]] and [[Deceive]]. I was playing [[Tryndamere]] who doesn't have the greatest wave clear.[/quote]

[quote=Insensible]If your mid or top laner dies, you should either try to even the minions, or if notice that his minions are about to push, force it to the enemy tower, so when your teammate gets back to the lane, it's pushed to his side. You'll also gain xp and gold, witch is nice.[/quote]

[quote=Joxuu]It's worth to hold the lane if you have almost a whole minion wave or more going to a turret and you happen to be near the lane.[/quote]

[quote=VexRoth][quote=Joxuu]It's worth to hold the lane if you have almost a whole minion wave or more going to a turret and you happen to be near the lane.[/quote] That was exactly the situation. Only problem was that I took a helluva lot of harass from [[Shaco]] while trying clear the minion wave from the turret and [[Fizz]] took his sweet time getting back to lane. By the time I got into my blue side jungle it was all gone. Making me question the worth of that particular hold. For all I know [[Graves]] may have started on that side of my jungle. Had that happen vs a [[Maokai]] once and there is no real way to know since peeps in soloqueue don't ward the jungle entrances at a minimum and you will sometimes even piss them off if you ask them to ward. [[Shaco]] is actually a pretty good pick against dive in type champions like Fizz in a one v one laning situation. Just box behind you and peace out with stealth if things get too hot. [[Graves]] jungle I might have to try after having gotten stomped by two of them. They seem to be able clear really fast and do good damage during ganks. ;nutshell - usually worth the hold but you have to consider the big picture.[/quote]

[quote=VexRoth][quote=Insensible]If your mid or top laner dies, you should either try to even the minions, or if notice that his minions are about to push, force it to the enemy tower, so when your teammate gets back to the lane, it's pushed to his side. You'll also gain xp and gold, witch is nice.[/quote] I mostly get the difference and will either hold or push to tower depending on the situation. Occasionally I find that my timing is off on push. My rough analysis is that if your wave clear is crappy and the enemy wave is at your turret you won't be able to push fast enough to get an even reset in the middle of the lane in which case you should just hold. I hate putting my laner in a bad situation, so I am trying to figure this part out, so if anyone has any tips (and I may ask this as a separate question), I would love to hear them.[/quote]