Rengar Nerfs

[quote=FalseoGod][quote=MungoGeri]Actually, I think the key change is this one: [color=orange]Range for exclamation mark to appear increased from 1250 to 1450[/color] The problem I have with [[rengar]] on live is that the exclamation mark appears only a fraction of a second before he pounces on you. If you have a little longer time to react, then I as a support can throw down a vision ward and maybe save my adc before [[rengar]] pounces.[/quote] That's a key change from midgame + E change is before that, to give his level 6+ early ganks some space for the person to react. I do think they're basically killing him. Hell, [[nocturne]] can do a better "I gank well post-6" job than [[rengar]] should these changes come to pass, and he also becomes great at picking isolated targets midgame + Tahm Kench isn't a champ that should be mentioned here, I think most people can agree that he makes tanky + hp stats way too efficient for a champ.[/quote]

[quote=GrandmasterD][quote=MungoGeri]The problem I have with [[rengar]] on live is that the exclamation mark appears only a fraction of a second before he pounces on you. If you have a little longer time to react, then I as a support can throw down a vision ward and maybe save my adc before [[rengar]] pounces.[/quote] That's tough, mostly because nothing else breaks stealth anymore and everything [[Rengar]] does is targeted, so unless you've got new [[Shen]] on your side, it is going to be nigh-impossible to prevent whatever [[Rengar]] does. Don't take this as “OMG Rengar so broken”, but his kit is just plain nonsense that doesn't promote player interaction but is rather about quickly dispatching a squishy from nowhere, and there's next to nothing you can do about it, except hope you can [[Exhaust]] him in time. But honestly, [[Exhaust]] is a nonsense spell too. [quote=FalseoGod][quote=MungoGeri]Actually, I think the key change is this one: [color=orange]Range for exclamation mark to appear increased from 1250 to 1450[/color] The problem I have with [[rengar]] on live is that the exclamation mark appears only a fraction of a second before he pounces on you. If you have a little longer time to react, then I as a support can throw down a vision ward and maybe save my adc before [[rengar]] pounces.[/quote] That's a key change from midgame + E change is before that, to give his level 6+ early ganks some space for the person to react. I do think they're basically killing him. Hell, [[nocturne]] can do a better "I gank well post-6" job than [[rengar]] should these changes come to pass, and he also becomes great at picking isolated targets midgame +[/quote] [[Rengar]] was almost designed to be a better version of [[Nocturne]], which is sad. [[Nocturne]] as of now has plenty of counterplay, but [[Rengar]] doesn't. [quote=FalseoGod]Tahm Kench isn't a champ that should be mentioned here, I think most people can agree that he makes tanky + hp stats way too efficient for a champ.[/quote] Again, only reason I mentioned him, is because I am questioning Riot's motives; I don't think these nerfs herald a rework. Additionally, like [[Rengar]], Tahm's kit does not promote player interactivity. Aside from that, there are no similarities and I never claimed that there were.[/quote]

[quote=FalseoGod]Compared him to noc taking into account the nerfs. Rengar will probably prefer to try and take down the target with Multiple Q's instead of the guaranteed snare because there's a good chance of reaction now. Also, [[nocturne]] does have one advantage in comparison to [[rengar]] both now and post these nerfs: cooldown exploitation, Rengar's ult takes a little bit to kick in + allow the jump and early game the "!" gives champs with mobility abilities a chance to use them if they didn't get baited to putting it on CD just as you were ganking. Nocturne can immediately exploit the mobility cooldowns with R-Q-E, reducing the enemy's options. As for my own take on tahm, was mostly an off-topic complain[/quote]