Fiddlesticks Build Guide : Kaji's Fiddlesticks Jungle :: League of Legends Strategy Builds

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this is probably a really dumb question but this guide It's meant for the rework right?

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Not as of right now mate, that one is in progress.
I am getting is as many PBE games as I can so look to find the updated guide here soon! :)

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Yi matchup is innaccurate, oddly enough Q-ing Yi during ult only says "can't be slowed" and doesn't seem to do anything to him.

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Is that so? Then they must have changed it since I last played against a master Yi with Fiddlesticks. I'll look in to it! Thanks for bringing that up.
Although I am looking in to the rework now a lot more at the moment to be honest! ^^

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Hey man, read your guide. I have Fiddlesticks and play him as a support, his CC and peel are really effective when placed in the bottom lane. Where do you see him achieving the most, Jungle or Support? I heard that his duelling is awful in the early stages, so would you recommend I start climbing with jungle or stick to support?

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Hi @ ShockStrikes,

Thanks for reading my guide.

First of all that is an interesting question you ask, because in my opinion it depends most on what your preferences are. I can definitely see him performing well in both the jungle role as in the support role.
If you really like playing support, and want to focus on providing crowd control and peel you should stay as a support.
If you prefer to have a little more impact across the map instead of just in the bottom lane (and perhaps mid if you can get a roam in) you can 100% play very effectively in the jungle.
As to his dueling: it is true that he isn't the best at going 1 VS 1 in the jungle, but that also depends on how well you know your champion and the enemy champion. Your power to fight depends mainly on your abilities and being able to the enemy champion to stall for time. So if you know that you are playing against an enemy champion that has crowd control to interrupt your all you have to do is bait out his crowd control before starting to .

So it comes down to this: if you want to start climbing it is best to have as much impact as possible and that is going to be in the jungle. You will be able to influence all lanes and secure as much objectives as possible for your team. However, if you are not comfortable playing jungle, or you have a hard time reading the map I would advise to stick to support and just work to get your AD carry as far ahead as possible every game. This can get you a win just as easy.

Hope this answer is of any use to you! ^^

Greetings,

Kaji

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Hi @ ollie360,

and can absolutely be an option if you want the increased sustain.
This, combined with maxing will increase your sustain and survivability for sure, but it will take away some of your damage.
Personally I wouldn't go this route because of the fact that and offer much more value, but that is more because of my personal preferences. Your idea is certainly valid.

Greetings,

Kaji.

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Yo, thank you for this killer guide. I've always wanted to start playing fiddles jungle and this guide helped me succeed my dream of that. With the comprehensive jungle routes, to the break-down of every item, rune, and skill in this build, you truly cover it all. I would like to thank you for my 3 s ranks in a row and more to come!

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Hi @ SwizzleSam ,

First let me thank you for the comment and the kind words.
I am very glad you liked that guide and that it was able to help you improve your game.
Let's hope you can keep getting those S ranks in a lot of games! I'll be rooting for you.

Greetings,

~ Kaji ~

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Hello Kaji.I read your guide and I think that it's very good,didn't tought of buying Hextech GLP 800 in any game,this item is very useful when ganking or when chasing someone and I like how you wrote almost every jungle matchup and what to do.I have a question : Do you think that Dark Harvest is good on fiddle ? I am waiting for your reply btw my English is bad sorry for that :)

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Hi @ xMalcho,

First of all thank you so much for the comment!
I am very glad you liked my guide and that you learned something by reading it.
Now about your question:
isn't a very good choice on in my opinion because it takes a way too much of your early game power compared to and it doesn't offer the utility of let's say .
Before it got nerfed it was an option of course, because it was broken on every champion back then.
But as of right now I am afraid it wouldn't feel very good.
My advise: wait for another buff before taking it on our favorite scarecrow!

Greetings,

~ Kaji! ~

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Okay just wanted your opinion on this rune.I am playing with Comet or electrocute.I think Electrocute is a good option too becase of the one shot potential on carries and it is good in early ganks because it provides you the best damage in early game I think.

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Great guide there!

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Thanks, appreciate it! ^^
Glad that you liked it.

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So, the reason why you start E instead o W is because you prefer starting murk wolves instead of blue? I haven't tried that with Fiddlesticks but seeing it here, I'll give it a go for meself. If it means he doesn't need pull either, it should benefit the team too. I don't generally try it though because early on, Fiddlesticks' mana costs are a bit crazy.

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That's true, but you don't really struggle with that if you do the murk wolves first.
You do them, into blue and gromp at the same time. This makes it so you have just enough mana for the entire blue side.
Another plus to doing the e start is that you have blue buff after 3 camps are cleared. So you have more benefit of the blue buff to try and make a gank or even an invade happen. ^^

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But doesn't the jungle experience changes make this route sub-optimal?
You no longer get level 3 after these 3 camps, so is it really still a preferable start?

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It's true that you no longer reach level 3 after these 3 camps, but it is still a preferable jungle start because of a few reasons:

For starters, your laners don't have to give you a leash so they can get an early advantage in lane.
Your clear of these 3 camps if you do gromp and blue sentinel at the same time is still one of the fastest in the game. You will be able to do these camps and still be on time to get rift scuttler or invade the enemy jungler.
By starting at wolves you are most likely not going to fall victim to an invade, because the enemy team will come looking for you at your blue buff, not at the wolves.

Hope this answer was helpful for you my friend! ^^

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loved the guide, great job dude.

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Thanks a lot man! ^^
Means a lot coming from someone who wrote so many awesome guides himself! :D

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Hi, nice guide! I've seen people play Fiddlesticks support with the Aftershock keystone on stream. I guess I kinda get why, for tankiness upon fear or whatever, but I was also wondering what you thought about that as a primary rune option for support Fiddlesticks? Thanks.

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Well, I play him with as a support (see my support guide for more information on that).
But as far as going into as a primary path goes, it certainly is viable.
As you tend to be very squishy, and as a support it takes so long to get to strong AP items. So if you take as your primary path you can increase your durability pretty well.
If you want to go , I'd recommend these runes:

Aftershock
Bone Plating
Chrysalis
Revitalize.

Hope you got the answer you were looking for. ^^
If you have more wuestions, feel free to ask!

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So would you say that could also be an option for jungle ?
Or not so much?

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Well, it could work of course, there's no reason it shouldn't work.
But to say it would be an option... I feel like the 4 rune paths I describe in this guide are the most optimal ones.
There's of course no problem if you'd like to try these runes on jungle , but my recommendations are still the rune pages included in the guide! ^^

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I checked out your support guide and I liked the build.
Had a lot of fun and success with it, but I was wondering if you could blend in a chapter on the tankier runes you mentioned here.
I'd like some more information about that before I try them out! ^^

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Sure, I'll try to fit it in somewhere!

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I saw you play support in your stream a couple of days ago.
Could you maybe include a guide for that?
Because I've been seeing a lot of support recently and I wanted to try it as well. ^^

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I could definitely do that, but I feel like I should make a separate guide for support then.
Because I feel like it might get confusing if there's a jungle and a support section in one guide.

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Did you change the lay-out of the guide?
It looks different from last time I consulted it.
If you did, good job man!
Now the content and the lay-out are both super good!

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I agree, the guide is really starting to come together as a whole!
Keep up the improvements man, very nice work. :)

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Yeah, I see it to!
Nice work indeed, it looks a lot easier to read now to. :)

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Thanks for the commendation! ^^

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Thanks!
I really appreciate the votes of confidence! :D
I took my time with it though, because I wanted it to be exactly the way I wanted it to be.

Before it was indeed a little bit chaotic, making it somewhat harder to read.
Most of that should be solved now though. ^^

If there are any suggestions, feel free to tell me because I am still up for improvements!

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As a matter of fact I did! :)
I was happy with the content, but not so much with the way it looked.
So I went and checked out a lot of guides to learn some more about the coding for writing guides! ^^
There are some really useful guides out there.

I'm glad you noticed it and that you like it.
Thanks for the comment man!

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In my last game I ended up against a jungle, who was invading me all the time. My team never responded and I fell behind really hard, really fast.
Any tips on how I can prevent this or how to counter this?

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I understand that this is frustrating, it happens a lot when playing against a jungler like .
If your team doesn't respond there isn't a lot you can do except stacking up on charges.
What you can do to not fall behind too hard is change your jungle pathing. You could start at your red buff instead of blue buff.
is most likely going to invade you on red side, because they are used to starting at his blue buff.
Another option is to start with your e and clear the wolves first. Then you are level 2 when you go to blue buff. After blue you can clear gromp and you have a quick level 3.
You might lose your red buff this way, but it will be the safest route you can take without losing too much experience.

For further information, this is the section of the guide I wrote about .

is a very good jungler with a lot of damage, especially against isolated targets. Since you are a jungler, you will be isolated a lot of the time.
also isn't a very tanky champion, so you are a perfect prey for . If you run in to him all alone the chances are pretty high that he will just burst you down.
Your best option when you run in to him is wait until he uses his and then him. This way you can get away from him safely, or, if your team is coming towards you, to stall for time.
If reaches level 6 and evolves his r he will be invisible almost all the time he is in the jungle. This makes it hard to track him, so be sure to stock up on charges. They can make the difference between being able to set up a play around an invading or walking in to him on your own and dying.
Because of his high damage against isolated targets is good at taking objectives, so be sure to watch out for sneaky dragon takes.
Late game, if your team groups as 5, it becomes hard for to burst down a target. But if a squishy member of your team (such as yourself) ever gets caught out on their own, can very quickly take them down.

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Against it's good to do the fast level 3 at blue side (it's probably the best start on Fiddlesticks), but remember that you need to do both blue and gromp together after you did wolves, to make the clear a lot faster and reliable Fast 3 at 2:12
With this start you can get to your red before Kha6 comes (if he did his wolves/gromp to get at 3 with your red) or it's doing your red; you will be lvl 3 and he will be lvl 2, giving you a big edge (also your E will proc multiplle times with the red buff near you). Remember that you always start with a so you can ward near your red and watch if he invades; if he does, simply go and get his red and raptors! Against Kha be prepared to max your E first to get a faster clear and try to match his ganks.
You don't need specifically for him, since his true invisibility cannot be seen even with them (only towers can see him), but a good thing you can do for you and your team is to ward his camps so you know where he is and where he will go.

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I don't know if I'm confident enough on the champ to start doing this though.
It sounds simple enough, but I am not a level 7 player. I just started picking up the champion.

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Yeah, I tried the start a couple of times now like you described it and so far it has a lot of pro's and a few cons.
E.G.
If there is a support that comes to steal just one little wolf from you, you don't reach level 2 and you are very far behind.

But most of the games it really helps.
I use this now to get level 3 and go invade junglers with slower clear speed.
A few games in a row I got first blood just by doing this against a jungle and a .
So I can imagine it also working on if you do it fast enough.
Because if red buff is too low, you don't get the maximum amount of bounces from your .

About the , it is meant pre 6 of course, because it provides you with valuable information in the early stages. Post 6 it is indeed less optimal because of the true invisibility. Still it doesn't hurt to always carry one with you to place close to objectives. At least this way you will know when they are being started.

PS: @Ryther, I tried the build a few times, and in some games it feels really good. Mostly when there are no dashes / jumps / ... on the enemy team to escape when you gank. They either die because they have no escape or they have to blow their .
So I am working on a way to put this in to my build. :)

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I think that getting counter-jungled and firstblooded by a it's one of the worst thing that can happen, tilt worth XD
Yet, against a I think it's better to play the safe card and go for , use your trinket to see him coming (pink in tribush and ward at the pixel bush near baron/dragon at around 1:10, need to check the right timing) and counter-invade him if he goes to your red. But if you killed a with that start, a is doomed, since he cannot interrupt your by any means! Also he will be at lvl 2 without jump so you get a and a free red buff! Everyone loves free buffs!

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I agree, getting firstblooded by a is really one of the worst things that can happen to you as a jungler.
Mind you, I do recommend the safer path when playing against .
You should only counterjungle him if you are really confident on and when your laners have priority over their lane (read: they have the push over the enemy laners).
Killing a or like that won't work every game!

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Is it worth trying this when you aren't level 7 on or should I get some more experience first before switching the clears.

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I'm not even at mastery 5 with Fiddlesticks and I can do that without a problem with an average time of 2:10 for level 3. So you only need to practice it a little and you're good to go. You can check here , there is one of my comment that describe when you need to use smite on the big wolf or not.

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You should definitely try it!
I can only encourage other players to try new things, because the only way to learn the champion (really learn and understand) is by playing him and finding out your own playstyle.
This guide can help you get started and give you some insights, but the real learning comes from playing.

One advise though: try new things in a few normal games first before jumping in to a ranked game. Make sure you got the basics down.
For example: make sure you get the timings correct on clearing gromp and blue buff. Don't let blue buff reset, because if will cost you a lot of time.
But other than that, just try, that's all you have to do.

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^^^^ This! Like Kaji said, the secret is training, like for... everything! The fast level 3 strategy is really easy to master since:

It's a solo clear, you don't need another player to leash for you
You can try it faster and faster thanks to the training tool. Just start, teleport yourself to wolves, speed up time for 30s for 2 times and you can start trying it! Just reset the tool without exiting and you can try it once every 40 seconds! Learn the fast buttons to do these 3 actions and youre set: Teleport to location, forward time 30s and reset game (the first 2 should be Shift+S and Ctrl+Shift+O).

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Yeah, good point.
The training tool can really help you with the basics.
But if shouldn't take more than a few games to get the hang of the wolves start. It really isn't that hard.
You might even be able to reach level 3 while the enemy botlane is still level 1, if your botlane has the pressure on them.
This means that when you are on the red side of summoners rift, you can gank a level 1 botlane as a level 3 .
I can guarantee you, they will not expect you to gank them so early!

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Nope, with this start you will always gank a lvl 1 botlane, even if you clear in 2:20! If you finish by 2:10 you can gank a lvl 1 top laner for sure! And probably even mid! Think about it, minions spawn at 1:15 and get to top lane in more than 30 seconds, so the second wave the one that grants level 2, will start at 1:45 and will be top at around 2:20. So this let you do a fearsome gank even top/mid!

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Yes, you are quit right with that.
This is if you do everything perfectly of course! :)
I prefer the botlane gank when you are on red side of summoners rift mainly because of how the meta works at the moment.
Get your ad carry ahead and you will be very likely to win the game.

One more hint that I can give you from experience:

If there is a on your team: camp him! Get him ahead and your chances to win go up so much.
I did this in the last 3 games where I had a on my team and won every game easy because he was up 30 cs and 2 levels after 15 minutes.
Once he is this far ahead: go help you other lanes of course, by this point he won't need you anymore. The enemy team will have to send at least 3 people to deal with him if they want to take him down by now.

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Yep, obviously you want to prioritize your bot lane on red side, but on blue side a top gank can be devastating if done correctly if they're at level 1 (even at level 2). Also mid is not bad at all, since that if you snowball the mid laner, he can roam top and bottom snowballing the entire team! It all depends on your team, if bot lane there are no CC, it's hard and dangerous to gank so early. As you said, the best thing to do is to assess your winning conditions and stick to them!

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So true, every game the conditions will be different because of the amount of champions that are available in the game.
So the best thing to do is just make sure you know the basics of all the champions and then determine what you should do to create the biggest advantage!