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I usually pick Ahri in clash games/ flex games where I want to win and I am autofilled/force to play mid-lane. Most of the time I try to help my team with charms and I don't really try to carry them (similar to a tank jungler playstyle). For this playstyle, what build should I opt for? CDR?
Let me know your thoughts! Best of luck!
Once I got the hang of Ahri's kit and started to understand some of the basic principles behind itemization for ahri (i'm seeing a trend of AP stacking and MPen being generally useful), my performance was generally improving. Now I'm at the point where I am learning to actually pay more attention to my surroundings and map haha!
I have a few questions just to gain a better understanding.
When selecting boots, I noticed you mentioned the possibility of running the CD boots, typically I find myself starting with MPen. At what point would you recommend swapping?
Looking at the mythic options of Everfrost, Luden's and Torment, what's the best approach to picking what to go with? (I generally go for Luden's on ahri for the burst, I don't know when I should go for the others).
Runes! for the secondary path, utilizing minion destabilizer, do you pop all 3 on a single minion type, or go for broad coverage and just get the bonus against all 3? (I've been going for broad coverage).
Do you have a preferred Ahri skin? I was considering Foxfire Ahri, she looks pretty fierce!
Thanks so much for your guide, seriously, it's been helping me get more confident in my solo-q matches, and I've been able to transition from "RUN AWAY!" to "I'MMA GETCHU!"
You go Liandry's into heavy HP games, Luden's into squishies, and Everfrost if you're into heavy melee/Yasuo/you have more AP damage on your team but little CC
People usually change demat based on the game, sometimes all 3 on cannons, sometimes each individual minion for better pushing!
Spirit Blossom Ahri best skin in the entire game!
You spec'd into transcendence but, you don't seem to have enough CDR to gain the bonus Adaptive Force from excessive CDR. I also happened to notice Ahri has mana issues. If you wanted to make the most out of Transcendence I would drop Rabadons Deathcap and build into Anthenas unholy hourglass which helps with Ahri's mana consumption, gives 30 AP as well as another 20 AP from the 100% mana regeneration passive it also has as well as giving you more CDR thus, giving you excessive CDR and by extension of Transcendence Adaptive Force.
I also happened to notice a particular Synergy with Dark harvest, Cheap shot, Ghost Poro, and Scorch that may be worth looking into.
Also, I am relatively new and am currently in bronze 2 I seem to have fallen and its in no way shape or form your fault I guess we just have vastly differently play styles.
I would also like to say I have no desire to build into Hextech Gunblade as I am in bronze and both teams would have a field day reporting me for building Hextech gunblade on Ahri.. Probably say I am "Inting" or "Trolling".. No thank you.
Also, I don't think Ahri is a "Jack of all trades master of none" Shes more like a C tier pick. Allow me to explain my view on it.
She doesn't have the damage to be considered a burst mage or an assassin. She doesn't have the ability to farm to be considered an early game character. Her charm compared to literally every other CC is lack luster at best and with out CC or decent healing she can't really support all that well.
She doesn't have the HP to be considered a Jungle and I am pretty sure she would get picked apart by the onslaught of High damage duelists and Super Tanks that play in top lane. Shes only really mobile while she has her ultimate.
Effectively she does nothing even "Decently" Often times shes out ranged and out poked. I guess the term "Jack of all trades master of none" doesn't seem to apply very well at least not against the super assassins, and super burst mages that populate the closest thing Ahri has to a label. She gets out mobile'd and out damaged by most of her match ups and with being our mobile'd, out ranged and out damaged, She gets out roamed which shes intended to be good at.
I would also like to hear your thought on Ahri's Spirit rush becoming her passive and activating on using a skill shot like Charm or Orb of Deception. Allowing her to Bypass terrain by trading Mana as well as ever so slightly increasing her damage and making her truly mobile rather then mobile once every minute and a half.
I guess I ended up pelting you with a lot of questions after all.. Sorry about that. =X
I get flamed for just about everything. For example with the gunblade thing. I get called a troll when I rush hourglass into Zed/Yasuo. as for my OP.GG Personally I have heard a bit about it though, that site has kind of nagged on me for a while.
I play mid and have less then a 30% win rate and people assume I am trolling/inting when in reality I am only about 4 weeks into the game and am hopelessly lost and confused trying to adapt at so much at once.
My summoner name is the same as my mobafire name incase you wanted to see for yourself.
I get flamed for just about everything. For example with the gunblade thing. I get called a troll when I rush hourglass into Zed/Yasuo. as for my OP.GG Personally I have heard a bit about it though, that site has kind of nagged on me for a while.
You don't really need to rush zhonya's against zed/yas, it won't be needed. If you're struggling then picking up a Seeker's Armguard is always your safest bet regardless of what happens, though upgrading it to a zhonya's is overkill. It will ruin your damage (or make it extremely low) so you'll barely be able to do stuff.
Instead, think of your item path like this:
Seeker's Armguard > Lost Chapter > Boots of Speed > Luden's Echo > Zhonya's Hourglass > Sorc Boots > Other items
It doesn't really matter at all what other people say about your build. Hextech Gunblade is a nice fill item if you're incredibly ahead, not in need of any defensive items and you feel like it'll be fine without it. The only other option to fill that item spot would be a Lich Bane though it would still require you to get a defensive item.
"You spec'd into transcendence but, you don't seem to have enough CDR to gain the bonus Adaptive Force from excessive CDR"
> Most of the time people do not take Transcendence to over-cap on CDR for stats, most of the time it's to round out your build and give you max 40% CDR no matter what you build, so every single game you will have Luden's for 20%, Transcendence for 10%, and this allows you to choose between Zhonya's, Lich or Banshee for the final 10%, OR if you just get blue you reach 40%, if you over-cap from getting a blue that's great, but it's not something you should push to do. Ahri makes plays only with her ultimate active, so you want as much CDR as possible for her ulti.
"I also happened to notice Ahri has mana issues. If you wanted to make the most out of Transcendence I would drop Rabadons Deathcap and build into Anthenas unholy hourglass which helps with Ahri's mana consumption, gives 30 AP as well as another 20 AP from the 100% mana regeneration passive it also has as well as giving you more CDR thus, giving you excessive CDR and by extension of Transcendence Adaptive Force."
> Lost Chapter solves all of your mana problems, along with Manaflow Band. Rabadon's Deathcap is an item EVERY SINGLE MAGE should be building in EVERY GAME, it's the highest damage item and increases your AP drastically, why would I replace Deathcap for... a support item? The whole reason you build Athenes is so you can heal people with shielding/healing. Ahri has neither that she can apply on a team mate. It's a support item. Again, we get CDR and mana from Luden's anyway, no idea why this crosses your mind.
"I also happened to notice a particular Synergy with Dark harvest, Cheap shot, Ghost Poro, and Scorch that may be worth looking into."
> Dark Harvest is in general not the best rune, UNLESS your champion can't proc other runes easily (Zoe, Karthus use this a few others). Ahri is weak early game, she won't harass people early for Dark Harvest stacks, the high base damage from Electrocute is great for her because she can proc it really easily, she's generally weak in damage so you need the higher base damage to help you snow ball. Scorch is ok, but it doesn't fit the playstyle on Ahri, and we don't want to replace Manaflow or Transcendence.
"I would also like to say I have no desire to build into Hextech Gunblade as I am in bronze and both teams would have a field day reporting me for building Hextech gunblade on Ahri.. Probably say I am "Inting" or "Trolling".. No thank you."
> Hextech Gunblade, in the right situation on Ahri, is very good, except this situation is VERY RARE. It's when you're so extremely fed, you're good on Ahri, whole enemy team is squishy and you don't need any defensive items, you just want to pop one champion as fast as you can, and because you're Bronze/new to League you probably don't even use it's active well enough yet.
"Also, I don't think Ahri is a "Jack of all trades master of none" Shes more like a C tier pick. Allow me to explain my view on it."
> Ahri is one of the best solo queue picks for years now, always having a really good winrate with an above average pick rate. Right now she has a 52% winrate up til Platinum (source: champion.gg), and her winrate is better the lower the elo because of how forgiving her ultimate is for bad players. She is good at a lot of things (CC, mobility, healing, damage with Charm) but she's not GREAT at it. She's not truly dedicated to one of this things, but she is decent at all of them. Of course you won't out-heal a Sylas, or out mobility a Yasuo, or out damage a Syndra, but she can perform equally on everything she has.
"She doesn't have the damage to be considered a burst mage or an assassin. She doesn't have the ability to farm to be considered an early game character"
> Which is why you take Electrocute, play lane early just for farming, and roam to look for kills with your ultimate post 6. She can farm really easily with her Q, especially past level 9.
"Her charm compared to literally every other CC is lack luster at best and with out CC or decent healing she can't really support all that well. She doesn't have the HP to be considered a Jungle and I am pretty sure she would get picked apart by the onslaught of High damage duelists and Super Tanks that play in top lane. Shes only really mobile while she has her ultimate."
> ... Why are we talking about jungle, top and support Ahri? She is a mid laner. Of course she is garbage at other roles. The "jack of all trades" is referring to her as a mid laner, comparing to other mid laners.
"Effectively she does nothing even "Decently" Often times shes out ranged and out poked. I guess the term "Jack of all trades master of none" doesn't seem to apply very well at least not against the super assassins, and super burst mages that populate the closest thing Ahri has to a label. She gets out mobile'd and out damaged by most of her match ups and with being our mobile'd, out ranged and out damaged, She gets out roamed which shes intended to be good at."
> Which is why I use the term "jack of all trades, MASTER OF NONE." She won't OUT ASSASSINATE an assassin, she won't OUT POKE a Xerath, she won't OUT BURST a Syndra. But she has a little bit of EVERYTHING in her kit which makes her flexible. Syndra has no mobility, Zed has no healing or super easy waveclear, she gets outroamed by Qiyana with mobility boots, she is a champion in her own right. Practicing her and allowing use of EVERYTHING in her kit makes you a good Ahri player, because she's not SPECIALIZED in any one thing.
"I would also like to hear your thought on Ahri's Spirit rush becoming her passive and activating on using a skill shot like Charm or Orb of Deception. Allowing her to Bypass terrain by trading Mana as well as ever so slightly increasing her damage and making her truly mobile rather then mobile once every minute and a half."
> So you want to give her free permanent mobility? This is the most stupid balance change ask I've ever seen, this is just being extremely biased to Ahri as a champion and you want her to be better, rather than yourself as a player. If this was to become her passive, she would receive nerfs on EVERYTHING in her kit and made extremely weak to allow this to happen, no thanks.
I've been playing League for 7 years. I started the game playing Ahri. I have been master tier with her. I have no problem people challenging my guide with other interpretations fairly, but you're Bronze and you've played League for so little, I feel like you're attacking me? Then you offering me to build Athenes on Ahri to make up for her mana issues. You need to learn the game a lot more before you bring forward ideas like this, it really shows you have no idea what you are trying to convey, sorry to say. I'm not trying to flame you, but I feel like I have to put my point across strongly for you to understand.
Is this a troll comment? 100% seriously asking. Seems to fake to be true, if it is show me your op.gg before I go in depth on this lol
Almost as if you're saying "This can't be real, how could any one be this dumb" Because they are new, Ignorant, and the closest thing they get to "Hey, you build is not going very well" is "Haahahaha Are you ******ed?"
"I would also like to hear your thought on Ahri's Spirit rush becoming her passive and activating on using a skill shot like Charm or Orb of Deception. Allowing her to Bypass terrain by trading Mana as well as ever so slightly increasing her damage and making her truly mobile rather then mobile once every minute and a half."
and your reponse was > So you want to give her free permanent mobility? This is the most stupid balance change ask I've ever seen, this is just being extremely biased to Ahri as a champion and you want her to be better, rather than yourself as a player. If this was to become her passive, she would receive nerfs on EVERYTHING in her kit and made extremely weak to allow this to happen, no thanks.
Because I was new, don't know any better and wanted your opinion on something? I like how you passive aggressively did the "No thanks" Sadly when I said "No thank you" I wasn't trying to be *****y. I was just saying, I get reported a lot for inting/trolling because I am new and am struggling to learn the game, the items, the the masteries, and the match ups. I am more so concerned about the Stupid comment.
I came here to try and learn so I could be better. What I get is some one who is clearly to sensitive to be online. I genuinely want to know what I said that made you feel so personally attacked.
Honestly, I feel like maybe something got lost in translation. I am starting to come to the conclusion you didn't even read the whole thing. Your pulling rank and saying" I have played for 7 years" Maybe its just lost in translation but, it almost sounds like you think you know everything.
Which means based on the "This can't be real" and the "This is the stupidest change ever"
Its clear you have a superiority complex. Its clear you think you're the greatest player ever. If that were true you would be better. You would be Pro. I don't even think the Pros know everything
you made the assumption they would Nurf her other abilities again, we both agree shes weak, has bad farm and is only mobile with her ultimate.
What did I do to deserve such a hateful reply? I said I was Not very good, Ignorant, and new?
I don't think I can take any more personal attacks TBH. to be honest, It doesn't sound like you can ether. Trust me, If I was being toxic, you would 100% know it.
I want to believe you created this guide to help people. I 100% owned up to the fact it simple did not work for me. Maybe because I am new, Maybe because I am ignorant.
I just didn't want to play 300 questions with you and feel like a burden. I am a Texan. Its rare we get offended.. Usually we do the offending. Hence why you'd know if I was being toxic.
Any way, I have nothing against you personal or otherwise. Have a good one. ^.^