Which tanks are viable?

[quote=3pthorror]u obviously play alistar differently than me then. dont just say something is terrible i wanna here what u got to back it up. BTW its a great core build, followed by a lichbane(for pushing) and other items that suit the situation.[/quote]

[quote=Jet]lich bane lol boots of mobility philo hog sheen catalyst triforce banshees (game usually over here) shurelyas randuins[/quote]

[quote=3pthorror]well i hope u enjoy ur 0% CDR oh wait im sorry 5% from randuins, i dont see any point of damage dealing items on alistar, there are other chars for that. He is better as a tank with low CDR, and lichbane is good on him with an abyssal sceptor, he hits hard, gives a aura for the team and get magic resist.[/quote]

[quote=Jebus McAzn]Alistar is best played as a roamer. It's very important to get the GP5 items early on so he's not useless late game. That being said, he's not item dependent at all, which is what makes him such a good roamer. Sheen is almost essential on him, but Lich Bane is not. It's a great item if you build pure AP, but that's not the most effective way to build him. Alistar is a very "in-your-face" champion, meaning that he needs to be able to take fire. Jet's build or some variant of it is the most effective as that. Realize that Alistar's strength comes from his CC and his heal. With Philo, you don't run out of mana while roaming. Frozen Heart is fine but Shurelya's+Randuin's is stronger both tank wise and utility wise.[/quote]

[quote=Jet]pretty sure you get 28% cdr from full set of items and then you got runes masteries which can bring it up to 39 - 40% sigh[/quote]

[quote=Nighthawk]Chogath is annoying as a tank. 300 armor and MR with feast and guardian angel >.>[/quote]

[quote=Joobieo#41288][quote=Nighthawk] Chogath is annoying as a tank. 300 armor and MR with feast and guardian angel >.> [/quote] Oh yeah when I go Kass or MF hes such a pain to take down.[/quote]

[quote=Searz][quote=Jet] pretty sure you get 28% cdr from full set of items[/quote] Erm.. 5% on Randuin+15% on Reverie=20%. Masteries+runes = max 14.85% (well, with the good CDR runes anyhow). CDR or MR glyphs on Ali? MS quints? And which masteries? Getting kinda curious about him :3[/quote]

[quote=3pthorror][quote=Jebus McAzn] Frozen Heart is fine but Shurelya's+Randuin's is stronger both tank wise and utility wise. [/quote] yeah and both those items also cost 2050 more than frozen heart, Jet also gets them last so he will be sitting on up to 10% or so CDR with runes and masteries for basically the whole game. neither randuins or shurelyas give u mana, shurelyas gives u mp5 but not 500 frigen mana. frozen heart+soul shroud and masteries give you 39%>randuins+shurelyas+masteries give you 29%. they cost about the same and u get 10% more cdr and ur tankier this way.[/quote]

[quote=Nighthawk]I actually find Banshee's better than Shureyla's imo. The movement speed active is nice, as is the health, but I find a higher amount of mana helps more then a higher mp5. If you want CDR on Ali then I usually choose Frozen Heart of Randuins. Don't get me wrong I love Randuin's and HoG, but Ali already has a high hp pool and I find he usually needs more armor and mana then health, though the slow is quite nice.[/quote]