Garen needs Buff

[quote=ShadowReign757]Why does everyone hate me for tanking ;_;[/quote]

[quote=NicknameMy][quote=animorte] Last 'Garen is free' week was horrible. Every time I faced a Garen, he owned me. Why? Because I think there is a glitch on him of some sort. Using Kennen almost all those games against him, I could not stun him close range...at all. At a distance was no problem. But if he was close, I would just stack 3 marks (no stun) and then stack 3 more marks (still no stun). It was the same thing with Taric. If he was far away, I successfully stunned him. If he was right beside me, no stun. No Cleanse or Quicksilver was ever involved. He was just completely immune to all stuns at close range. Yes, QQ Anyways, I think Garen has sufficient damage all throughout the game. I believe he is what one would call a bruiser, taking damage well while still being able to put it out. [/quote] Kennen is way faster as Garen if he want's to, so you could move through Garen, give him a mark, fire w, give him a second mark and fire q and he is stunned. Not to mention your ult would also stun him. And don't facecheck the brushes, seriously... [quote=Booshido]you guys cant build him right is all :] early game spin to win, mid game tank, late game, off tank crit chance/high ad =)[/quote] I build him the same way(see my guide), but i have to say, he scales less powerfull then other champs in lategame, which also have a dominant earlygame.(Renekton, etc...) His Spin does there too few dmg, that would make him a reliant target. Renekton's Ult, stun and heal make him a reliant target. [quote=Jvstm] [quote=ShadowReign757] No. Just no. His AD ratios are where they are because he is an early game champion. Going into late game isn't supposed to happen on Garen, which is why his early damage is absolutely insane. IMO the only way, right now anyways, to bring Garen into being a late game champion is to tank with him, but even that isn't an amazing way to play him. EDIT: If Riot is looking into this, I hope they put others where he is. It'd be interesting to see how it affects the metagame. [/quote] AD Garen with Sunfire, Frozen Hammer and Atma's scales incredibly well into late game. He's a terrible tank. Build AD/HP with Atma's, though, and you'll eat their teams. [[boots of swiftness]] [[frozen mallet]] [[sunfire cape]] [[Atma's impaler]] [[infinity edge]] [[last whisper]] Number one Garen build, IMO. [/quote] Bad Build, got not enough Magic Resist. You will die very fast to mages. And Frozen Mallet is bad for Garen, he Spins, not autoattacks, their is warmogs way better. But warmogs is also bad, cause it needs very much time to be stacked. This makes Atma's useless, until you can pair it with leviathan... But leviathan is very situational.......... Want a slow on your attaks? get Lizard, seriously... Ok ok, i think that was enough on Garen how to build... Please nobody other post something like this...[/quote]

[quote=Searz][quote=NicknameMy] Bad Build, got not enough Magic Resist. You will die very fast to mages. And Frozen Mallet is bad for Garen, he Spins, not autoattacks, their is warmogs way better. But warmogs is also bad, cause it needs very much time to be stacked. This makes Atma's useless, until you can pair it with leviathan... But leviathan is very situational.......... Want a slow on your attaks? get Lizard, seriously... Ok ok, i think that was enough on Garen how to build... Please nobody other post something like this...[/quote] [quote=Searz]NO! This will not turn into another "how to build Garen" thread! Bad NicknameMy! >:[[/quote] Fix'd Oh, and FM isn't bad.[/quote]

[quote=NicknameMy][quote=Searz] [quote=NicknameMy] Bad Build, got not enough Magic Resist. You will die very fast to mages. And Frozen Mallet is bad for Garen, he Spins, not autoattacks, their is warmogs way better. But warmogs is also bad, cause it needs very much time to be stacked. This makes Atma's useless, until you can pair it with leviathan... But leviathan is very situational.......... Want a slow on your attaks? get Lizard, seriously... Ok ok, i think that was enough on Garen how to build... Please nobody other post something like this...[/quote] [quote=Searz]NO! This will not turn into another "how to build Garen" thread! Bad NicknameMy! >:[[/quote] Fix'd Oh, and FM isn't bad. [/quote] I know that was coming^^. But to know that they work on Garen was enough to know. If you want, you can close it, if s.b. different has nothing more to say. But i think, the most new posts would result into "how to build Garen"(Discussion about the effectivity of Frozen Mallet...).[/quote]

[quote=ShadowReign757]Would that be considered advertising?[/quote]

[quote=Searz][quote=NicknameMy] I know that was coming^^. But to know that they work on Garen was enough to know. If you want, you can close it, if s.b. different has nothing more to say. But i think, the most new posts would result into "how to build Garen"(Discussion about the effectivity of Frozen Mallet...).[/quote] You can look up an old topic, we've had several Garen related topics turn into "how to build Garen" in the past.[/quote]

[quote=Jvstm]Yeah, plenty of them. And Frozen Hammer is for the slow and attack damage combined moreso than either or. He has enough damage reduction with his W that you really don't need to stack defense items. IT isn'ty a bad build. I shut down teams easy with it, you should try it. The damage is insane. /endpost[/quote]