Xin Zhao - Three Talon Strike vs. Audacious Charge

[quote=fifolek]Q[/quote]

[quote=Eihn]1 in charge just to get to them and slow them. max 3 talon for that super dmg[/quote]

[quote=Flubadoo]But still, it's better to max E and have one point in W and Q. Why? Q gives +45 extra damage total per rank for TOTAL BURST. E gives more slow, CDR, and +40 extra damage per rank for TOTAL BURST. You're only missing out on 5 damage in your total burst if you max E first, but in return, you get much more slow (20%-40% (100% increase)) and the CDR is also very valuable if for some reason you need to use it twice to chase down someone. Q gives you 45 more damage, E gives you 40 more damage, with more utility to go along with it. Q at max rank is 75*3, which is 225 extra damage. E at max rank is 230 which is 230 extra damage. Your usual burst is E > Q, (w not really needed to be added in, and R is controlled variable, same whether you max Q or E. Scenario 1 (Q maxed with 100 AD): -70 damage (E) - 525 (Q: (75+100)*3) -Total damage in E Q combo = 595 Scenario 2 (E maxed with 100 AD): -230 damage (E) -345 (Q: (15+100)*3) -Total damage in E Q combo = 575 Not to mention that the extra slow will actually allow you to be able to get the 3 hits off, since 100 AD is early-mid game, and you won't/might not have that much AS to dish out those 3 strikes before the enemy gets away, so extra slow is crucial for letting the three hits actually go off. If you max E, even if they ghost, you can probably get the 3 hits off. TL;DR Q doesn't give that much more damage at all, E gives much better overall stats.[/quote]

[quote=Blydden]If I'm jungling, Q first. Clears creeps like CRAZY. Laning, E first. Preference for more CC/burst.[/quote]

[quote=Soronto]My skill order on Xin is Q -> E -> Q -> W -> Q -> R and then I max Q, W as second, leaving E with 1 point until I have no other choices.[/quote]

[quote=Jebus McAzn][quote=Blydden] If I'm jungling, Q first. Clears creeps like CRAZY. Laning, E first. Preference for more CC/burst. [/quote] Seems a little counter-intuitive as E would clear creeps just as fast, if not faster.[/quote]

[quote=Searz]Buuuut, with a higher mana cost so you won't be able to spam it without blue buff.[/quote]

[quote=Jebus McAzn][quote=Searz] Buuuut, with a higher mana cost so you won't be able to spam it without blue buff. [/quote] Since jungle Xin should have blue buff most of the time, that isn't a problem.[/quote]

[quote=Searz]Ye, but being buff dependent isn't good..[/quote]

[quote=Jebus McAzn][quote=Searz] Ye, but being buff dependent isn't good.. [/quote] Well, the same point would go towards maxing E first in lane as well, since Xin does run out of mana quite fast without blue.[/quote]