Ap tristana

[quote=Searz]AP Yi is shit. AP Trist is ok, but NOT good.[/quote]

[quote=JunSupport][quote=Temzilla] Udyr, Cho'Gath, Trundle, Gangplank, Akali, Mordekaiser, Nidalee, Kennen, Fiddlesticks, Galio, Gragas, Garen, Irelia, Karthus, Katarina, Kayle, Lee Sin, Master Yi, Morgana, Nasus, Nocturne, Nunu, Olaf, Rumble, Warwick, Yorick, and any AD carry worth their salt either has a built in sustain mechanic, or buys sustain items as part of their core. Also, the nerfing of supports just makes spell vamp and lifesteal MORE VALUABLE. That means more people will buy it in order to gain lane sustain, and will be worse off if characters like tristana explosive shot and then unload on them. [/quote] This. But, note that non-support sustain champions will be taking hits as well in the future. Supports were just the ones needing the most immediate attention because they can heal allies who have no sustain.[/quote]

[quote=wRAthoFVuLK]Trist was originally designed to be a ranged AP. But she is better as a ranged AD. Just as Sion was meant to be a tank or something. And people found he works really well with AP :)[/quote]

[quote=Jvstm]Sion doesn't work really well with AP. Sure, he has a great early and mid game. AP Sion is useless late game and only good as an off tank with a handy stun.[/quote]

[quote=wRAthoFVuLK]not really... he's tanky, bursts squishies down instantly, pushes hard with lich bane, etc. besides the point~[/quote]

[quote=Nighthawk]Udyr can't sustain as well as he used to. He can still lane, just not as well. Cho'Gath does still have pretty good sustain so i'll give you that. (although it does rely on farm) Trundle has pretty bad sustain tbh. It can work but you can be pretty good. Ganplank does have ok sustain if you go that way but he should never go that way except on TT. Akali doesn't have great sustain either. Mordekaiser does have some sustain, it's ok. He needs to push his lane to do it though. Nidalee's sustain isn't that great anymore. It's probably ok. Kennen's sustain isn't that great either. Fiddlesticks sustain is also good. Galio's sustain is crap (or it was last time I played him) mana costs are two high and shield is to unreliable. Gragas's sustain is still pretty good, it's just not the best. Garen's sustain also isn't that great. It's okay but he can still be easily harassed. Irelia's sustain is good so i'll give you that. Karthus sustain isn't that great. Horribly squishy without a great escape skill. Katarina's is horrible, idk where you got that from. Kayle isn't that great either. She still needs mana buffs. Lee Sin's is pretty good but not the best. Master Yi's is horrible if you want to actually do anything and he shouldn't even be in lane anyways, not to mention maxing meditate first is so dumb. Morgana is a pretty bad sustain. She has ok sustain but still needs to farm to do it, she's like a worse mordekaiser strangely enough, at least in terms of sustain. I haven't played Nasus in lane since the patch but his lifesteal was never good enough to sustain him in lane, however he is ok with his ult, so i'll give you that... Nocturne's sustain isn't that good either lol...he only has a spell shield. Nunu has ok sustain in jungle, but isn't that great in lane. I have thought about building revolver and sv on him though... Olaf's sustain is horrible, idk what your thinking. He's a melee, for christ sake. Rumble's sustain is ok I believe. Not the best, not the worst. Warwick's sustain is still good. Yorick's is pretty good as well. So in terms of sustain, who is viable? Yorick, WW, Nunu, Lee Sin, Gragas, Fiddlesticks, Cho'Gath and Udyr. And who among those are good at sustaining? Gragas, Fiddle, Cho. That's about it. Maybe Udyr.[/quote]

[quote=Mooninites]i saw an ap yi get a penta once. beside the point, Tristana's abilities are pretty mana heavy, and going ap also renders her Q basically useless. I've player her AP a few times and it is a lot of fun. but i also like melting faces with my auto-attack[/quote]

[quote=Jvstm][quote=wRAthoFVuLK] not really... he's tanky, bursts squishies down instantly, pushes hard with lich bane, etc. besides the point~ [/quote] Yeah, he does burst down squishies, but after that he's entirely useless in a fight. AD Sion, IMO, is better because he can actually do something after that initial combo goes out. I also play a mean AP Yi, but I do admit late game he's sub-par.[/quote]

[quote=caucheka]but the problem with ad sion is terrible early game. which is why most people build him ap.[/quote]

[quote=JunSupport][quote=wRAthoFVuLK] Trist was originally designed to be a ranged AP. But she is better as a ranged AD. Just as Sion was meant to be a tank or something. And people found he works really well with AP :) [/quote] Tristana was meant to be an AD ranged carry from day 1. Again: Her abilities scale with AP because back in the early phases of LoL, ALL abilities scales with Ability Power. That's why it's called Ability Power. And Sion was meant to be a tanky dps, not a tank. His abilities also scaled with AP for the same reason I just stated. AP Sion was left alone because it was enjoyable like AP Tryndamere, and AD Sion was not entirely viable.[/quote]