Good 5v5 champion comp's

[quote=Lugignaf]@Jak Zil's no support. He's an AP caster and should go mid. Later game, his power tapers off and he should stick to support. If he's playing "traditional" support with no CS, his ult is worthless. @Nickname I'd rather have Udyr in the jungle now. His laning was severely hurt by the turtle nerfs. Until ignite gets it's small rework, he's going to have tough times.[/quote]

[quote=DuffTime]Have you considered support Nunu? >:) Or Support Maokai? He's rrrreeeeaaaal good support >:)[/quote]

[quote=Lugignaf]He's not a good support. He's better suited to jungling or solo mid really. He needs to deal damage to be a threat and, 0CS support makes him not be able to do so. Also, he has the highest no ult burst at level 6. Plus, with good co-ordination, it becomes even stronger with the root.[/quote]

[quote=DuffTime]Maokai is an excellent support. He's one of the best most aggressive supports in the game, because he crushes lanes, and doesn't need farm to fulfill his main function, which is mega CC and damage reduction. According to your logic, Alistar and Janna are bad supports because they need damage to be a threat. You pick a support (In our current meta) based on what they have to offer the team without needing CS. It's why Rock Solid has been running support gangplank. His utility makes him viable.[/quote]

[quote=Lugignaf]Here's what I meant by "bad support" Maokai needs two skills do disrupt. One if he's close by them. Janna and Alistar need no items to be a threat. Their almost instant CC and displacement makes them a welcomed addition to any and every team. Plus, they all have damage mitigation in either the form of shields in Janna's case or, straight damage reduction and heals in Ali's case. Yes he tanks damage really easily and gets wards at the cost of mana but, IMO he tanks/caster better. Also, support GP is really viable. Not only can he assist top lane from but but, he only needs a few CS from a lane because of the increase in gold he gets and his speed/AD boost.[/quote]

[quote=DuffTime]o_O How are Janna and Ali's CC any less gear dependent than Maokai's CC's? Lol![/quote]

[quote=Lugignaf]Alistar, natural tank because of ult. Allows him to get in there to use his CC effectively. Janna, Counter initiate with the ult. Also heals. Long range disrupt. Maokai on the other hand... Jumps to target for a snare. If he has no tanky items, he burns up upon entry. His knockback is extremely close range. It's CD is long enough that it's not the greatest threat in a teamfight for disruption.[/quote]

[quote=DuffTime]No he doesn't burn up, because you have a full team with you. You have tanks and other CC's as well. Support gear on Maokai could look like this anyway; Philo Hog Glacial Shroud Spirit Visage Shurelya's Frozen Heart So, not exactly a squishy if you ask me. --- Can't use CD's as an argument because Alistar's CD's are all longer than Mao's. Janna's CD's are comparable to Maokai's CD's. Again, null point. When I said Maokai was a great support, I wasn't really asking the public if they thought so. I was more just letting them know that Maokai is a great support :P He brings everything to the table you need as a support, and shuts down opposing lanes with relative ease right from level 2-3.[/quote]