Learning Trundle...

[quote=Searz]Oh, my bad. Just a little tired. Still, try it out and see the difference. I'll go sleep now. Byebye.[/quote]

[quote=DuffTime]Ciao.[/quote]

[quote=DuffTime]3:55 with my preferred set up. 3:59 with the AD quints and no attack speed reds, and I almost died on red lizard. I was pretty healthy on my clear with my runes, about half HP.[/quote]

[quote=DuffTime]^ FYI Searz.[/quote]

[quote=Searz][quote=DuffTime] 3:55 with my preferred set up. 3:59 with the AD quints and no attack speed reds, and I almost died on red lizard.[/quote] HP at the end? I'll try doing the same (since I own all those runes).[/quote]

[quote=DuffTime]I didn't check but I was a good 200 HP higher with my runes I believe.[/quote]

[quote=Searz][url=http://www.mobafire.com/league-of-legends/mastery-tree-planner#&tree1=3-0-1-0-4-0-0-1-3-2-0-0-0-0&tree2=0-3-0-3-3-0-2-0-1-0-0-0-0-0&tree3=0-3-1-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0]14/12/4[/url] masteries. Vamp Scepter start. No leash. AD quints+ArP marks: 03:47 clear time. ~350HP at the end, down to ~150HP at lizard. 10%AS+15ArP: 03:50 clear time. ~250HP at the end, down to ~80HP at lizard. I'm pretty sure you're doing something strange since you're getting those results. Also, both my times are better than yours :P Funny thing with AD quints: you have to smite early to have it up in time for Lizard (since you're faster with AD quints), otherwise you'll die waiting for it. ----- About [url=http://www.mobafire.com/league-of-legends/mastery-tree-planner#&tree1=3-0-1-0-4-0-0-1-3-2-0-0-0-0&tree2=0-3-0-3-3-0-2-0-1-0-0-0-0-0&tree3=0-3-1-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0]your masteries[/url]. They're terribly inefficient. You should be running [url=http://www.mobafire.com/league-of-legends/mastery-tree-planner#&tree1=3-0-1-0-4-1-0-1-3-2-3-0-0-0&tree2=0-3-0-3-3-0-2-0-1-0-0-0-0-0&tree3=0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0]18/12/0[/url] or [url=http://www.mobafire.com/league-of-legends/mastery-tree-planner#&tree1=3-0-1-0-0-4-0-0-3-2-3-0-0-0&tree2=0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0&tree3=0-3-1-0-4-0-1-1-2-0-2-0-0-0-0]16/0/14[/url] instead. (not getting MrP because your only magic damage is your ult and getting a small boost to your ult damage is close to useless) Jungle results with those masteries: [url=http://www.mobafire.com/league-of-legends/mastery-tree-planner#&tree1=3-0-1-0-4-1-0-1-3-2-3-0-0-0&tree2=0-3-0-3-3-0-2-0-1-0-0-0-0-0&tree3=0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0]18/12/0[/url]: 03:44 clear time. ~380HP at the end, down to ~150HP at lizard. I was gonna do [url=http://www.mobafire.com/league-of-legends/mastery-tree-planner#&tree1=3-0-1-0-0-4-0-0-3-2-3-0-0-0&tree2=0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0&tree3=0-3-1-0-4-0-1-1-2-0-2-0-0-0-0]16/0/14[/url] and 1/8/21 masteries too, but they don't reduce enough damage early on and can't clear without a leash, but I'm pretty sure they're both faster than (or equal to) 14/12/4 with a leash. I'd guess they're at ~03:40 for 16/0/14 and ~03:50 for 1/8/21.[/quote]

[quote=DuffTime]14/13/3, not 14/12/4 :P I dunno how you came out on the other end with the numbers you did, but using my page I had a faster and healthier clear time with my preferred set up :P The 3 points into good hands is just too good to justify not taking with the new incredibly long respawn timers. (My opinion) The spell pen is certainly better than 1% attack speed, don't kid yourself lol.[/quote]

[quote=Searz][quote=DuffTime] 14/13/3, not 14/12/4 :P[/quote] All in all the ones I used reduces less damage than the ones you did (0.5 less), so that would only make it worse for me (while I got both high HP and faster times than you). [quote]I dunno how you came out on the other end with the numbers you did, but using my page I had a faster and healthier clear time with my preferred set up :P[/quote] You must've made a mistake with the AD setup. [quote]The spell pen is certainly better than 1% attack speed, don't kid yourself lol.[/quote] You deal very little magic damage and 0.75% CDR is not better than 1% AS.[/quote]

[quote=DuffTime]1% AS is not going to do more than the 15% mag pen. I used AD quints, full ArP reds, and everything else I used was my standard set up.[/quote]