Jungle Noc - Need Help

[quote=EvolHA]Okay, so i'm fairly competent at jungling. I do it mainly. My favorite junglers are udyr and Skarner. I have almost all the "main" junglers though and can do fairly well with them. Until it comes to Nocturne. I don't know what it is with him, if I'm just getting bad matches when I play him or just what. So I just finished a pre made. I ended 4/7/6. My team was me jungle (obviously), renekton and Vayne bottom, malphite top, and caitlyn mid. Only two of us were level 30 and we weren't super concerned with the "best" team comp just because. Also that's not what I'm asking about, I want help for my jungle noc, not for our team comp or any other silly business. The enemy team was jungle Udyr, Talon and Ashe bottom, Mundo top, and Morgana mid. I started vamp scepter, took out their wraiths but left one. cleared my jungle. came back, attempted top gank. I ran into udyr around level 4 I think, and though I was just barely a level up on him, he owned me. He had a cloth armor is all. Couldn't really gank mid becuase of morgana and our caitlyn was constantly low and did very poorly. Ganked bottom twice and got a kill both times. But they weren't able to put enough pressure to actually take a tower. So mid game I'm like 3/1/1 or so. We have 4-5 kills. They take mid, they take bottom. And then we win a team fight because they were out of position. But again we take no tower. After that we go even most team fights, killing 3 losing 2 or they kill 3 and lose 2. But then they start split pushing and we're not really "winning" the team fights and their udyr is just split owning us. I try to kill him and have to flash out. In the end we surrender after we take top and mid and they have all the way to our base pushed and then we get nearly aced with 1 survivor. I go 3/7/6. So a lot of what I'm asking is what's up? Do i just really suck with nocturne? Was their team just too hard for ganking? Sure we never took advantage of Anything, but at the same time I just don't feel like we should have done THAT badly. But late game we got owned consistently. Any words of advice? I mean, he seems good and fun, and I would like to play him, probably not main him though. But honestly, playing him is like a loss if the enemy team has a jungler. Last time I played him a jungle rammus owned me from level 3 on.[/quote]

[quote=Crows foot]The big difference here is that Udyr is a GREAT stand alone-jungler/top lane. He can wreck almost any team no matter your own composition. Noc on the other hand, he is VERY team dependant. He has a godly initiate and with his fear he can take out single targets, yet if he has burst he is squishy so no fun there... He needs the team to follow him in =)[/quote]

[quote=Toshabi]Hello 'should belong in mentoring' thread.[/quote]

[quote=EvolHA]Oh sorry. If a mod wants to move this that would be fine. Thanks for the response crows foot. As I looked more and more at my footage (LoL Replay) and thought about it I realized that thought my Nocturne isn't the best, a whole lot of that was our team comp and some of the players on our team too. It's good to hear a similar thought from someone else.[/quote]

[quote=Fox Rage]When fighting [[Udyr]] in jungle : DO NOT fight him unless you have a CLEAR advantage. Because you WILL die and he WILL survive. [[Udyr]]'s one of the best ''I-only-have-100-hp-left-and-you-got-4-k-with-3-level-above-me-yet-I-killed-you-and-survived'' champ, alongside good ol' [[Fiddlesticks]][/quote]

[quote=EvolHA]Yeah. That's about what I found out. I would figure "I'm nocturne and I have more kills and cs than this udyr..." Then I would die.[/quote]