Taggrin's Solo Queue Tier List

[quote=EvilDice]Caster tier list updated.. Until tag puts it up you can see it on my blog. Change explanations: [[kennen]] moved UP to tier 1 - While compared to casters in tier 1, kennen is the most beatable in lane, I just can't hold him out of this tier any longer. Take fid's ult, multiply it by 2, and give it a stun, and you have the beast that is Kennen. His late game might be unmatched by any AP carry right now. He is capable of beating a lot of champs in lane early game, but I still think that he is very beatable in lane. [[gragas]] moved DOWN to tier 2 - Gragas can still burst with the best of 'em, but I feel this is a necessary change. His damage output is unreliable and for that reason he's not as rediculous as some other APs. He also suffers from the same melee syndrome Kassadin does levels 1-6 which makes his lane phase difficult. Overall too unreliable to stay in tier 1. [[leblanc]] moved UP to tier 3b - Leblanc looks like she can be a counterpick in competitve play based on MLG. Reginald played her twice at MLG (that I saw). The first game, he didn't get many kills and he was an afterthought late game. His combo did little to no damage even to squishies. The second game TSM used a more split push/poke oriented playstyle and regi's Leblanc worked out a lot better that game. The leblancs I have seen in solo queue haven't really impressed me much. I think she can be good, but she needs a good comp/playstyle to be successful. Passive play early game can shut her down. [[malzahar]] moved DOWN to tier 4 - I've started 10/0 as malz only to lose the game. More than once. It's really sad what has happened to malz, but he's just countered too easily. He puts down pool? It's easy to step out of it. He ults you? CC him/qss. You gank him? He's dead because he has 0 escape abilities. His lane phase is super strong but his teamfighting is pathetic. [[orianna]] moved up in tier 2 - Orianna's buffs really helped her and I feel she is entirely viable now. Still one of the best ults in the game and really, really strong poke. When played smartly her laning phase should be no problem. Orianna has an insanely good kit for an AP carry and really solid damage. She's a utility caster who is on par with Zilean. [[sion]] moved down in tier 2 - Never thought Sion was OP in the first place, and a scaling nerf to an already fragile late game really hurts him. He's beatable in lane and quite honestly tier 2 may be generous placement for him. His early/mid game is still very strong though. [[fizz]] added to tier 2 - I've seen a few fizz players, he seems like a decent champion with some potential but I'm not quite sure if he is on the level of tier 1/2 APs. I'll throw him in tier 2 for now until I get a better feel for him. [[soraka]] and [[karma]] added to tier 3a - Both these champions are capable of soloing mid and carrying games, however both champions really lack damage output. In a bursty meta two squishy carries with no burst can really end up hurting your team. Having said this midraka and karma can both win mid with relative ease and offer unique utility that would be foolish to ignore.[/quote]

[quote=Lugignaf][quote=Nighthawk] Karma beats Olaf? Better nerf Irelia. [/quote] She does? Looks like we have a match-up to run Duff...[/quote]

[quote=Nighthawk][quote=NicknameMy] Still, [[karma]] beats [[olaf]].^^ [/quote][/quote]

[quote=DuffTime]If she can win trades through his E she might, but she'll have about 5-10 minute to put him too far behind to recover or she'll probs lose to his perma sustain and harass.[/quote]

[quote=Lugignaf]At level 1, Karma would just barely out-shield Olaf's E with 21/X/X masteries and the average caster runes. I think it could work well. The Karma would level W sooner for the damage when Olaf has to come at her for his E.[/quote]

[quote=DuffTime]Yeah I don't get E at level 1 though :P I take Q and then E at level 2 ^_^[/quote]

[quote=Lugignaf]Ah. I'd be even more adept to out-shield then. I'm guessing you max E ASAP, yes?[/quote]

[quote=DuffTime]Generally speaking, I do. I might max W against Karma though. It depends on if I think I can burn your mana down with E or not.[/quote]

[quote=Pølsemanden]Pretty sure that if u just keep hitting on karma early game(not letting her "r" get up before engaging her again) will take out karmas viability against any top lane really? Not much of a karma player though and i do not reckon seeing her since season 2 came out oO And i know cho usually maxes "w" first, but still he doesn't have the AA damage irelia has with true damage so without hitting a proper rupture he WILL loose the trade! since irelia will just stay on him then. U're making assumptions that are not outlined in my post. Dodge rupture cuz of the knockup/slow which will make chasing him harder. Then trade back his "w" damage while he flees -> Lane domination. Haven't seen any cho which stayed and fought with "e" for trading though but i quess duff impresses me once again. Boots +4 hp-pots? duff?[/quote]

[quote=DuffTime]^ No he won't lose the trade if he's runed for winning auto attack trades. I have no idea about Karma, I hardly ever see her lol. It would be heeeelarious if she counters Olaf.[/quote]