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[quote=Lugignaf]@Jun, Volibear has good ganks? HA! I LAUGH AT YOUR FOOLISHNESS! No. His "Fling with a speed boost" is literally just that. they have to be seriously over-extended, or running back to their turret to make it even remotely effective. You're probably going to [[Rolling thunder]] out of the bushes in the first place to close the gap so, them running back to their turret is nulled. Let's assume he's a jungler now even though the jungle is horrid in it's current state. [b]IF[/b] you let him farm up to 2K bonus HP, you're probably at endgame anyway and he's not going to do much other than take out your carry. That's if he can get to them after you nuke him down for not stacking resists. He's balanced if not a little under powered. Also, level 7 he can solo dragon with just a Wriggles if he's left alone. Only real thing he's good for.[/quote]

[quote=Pølsemanden]^shaco can do it lvl 6 with madreds^[/quote]

[quote=Xenasis][quote=Lugignaf] @Jun, Volibear has good ganks? HA! I LAUGH AT YOUR FOOLISHNESS! No. His "Fling with a speed boost" is literally just that. they have to be seriously over-extended, or running back to their turret to make it even remotely effective. You're probably going to [[Rolling thunder]] out of the bushes in the first place to close the gap so, them running back to their turret is nulled. Let's assume he's a jungler now even though the jungle is horrid in it's current state. [b]IF[/b] you let him farm up to 2K bonus HP, you're probably at endgame anyway and he's not going to do much other than take out your carry. That's if he can get to them after you nuke him down for not stacking resists. He's balanced if not a little under powered. Also, level 7 he can solo dragon with just a Wriggles if he's left alone. Only real thing he's good for. [/quote] I never said he didn't have good ganks, nor did I imply it. They're not the best in the game though, that's a ridiculous statement. He has no flash-like ability, for one. Without a flash-esque ability, you can't stop them from simply running or flashing away with Ghost/Flash/abilities, respectively. His ganks are interesting, and definitely good, but far from the best in the game. Oh, and some junglers that gank better than him - Noc, Xin, Fiddlesticks, Maokai, Riven, just off the top of my head[/quote]

[quote=Luther3000]^ RAMMUS BRO. Y'all better have yo flash up if Rammus comes to visit.[/quote]

[quote=Wayne3100]Not like that'll save you :P That guy is sooo fast @.@[/quote]

[quote=Luther3000]Well, it might if you were already right next to your turret and saw him coming. Otherwise yeah, you're screwed.[/quote]

[quote=childofthegrave]THE PEOPLE HAVE SPOKEN![/quote]

[quote=Lugignaf][quote=Xenasis] I never said he didn't have good ganks, nor did I imply it. They're not the best in the game though, that's a ridiculous statement. He has no flash-like ability, for one. Without a flash-esque ability, you can't stop them from simply running or flashing away with Ghost/Flash/abilities, respectively. His ganks are interesting, and definitely good, but far from the best in the game. Oh, and some junglers that gank better than him - Noc, Xin, Fiddlesticks, Maokai, Riven, just off the top of my head [/quote] I'm implying he has bad ganks though. He's like Udyr in the fact they they have to over-extend to be the most effective. Unlike Udyr though, he has to get closer to his tower before he attacks or he makes it easier for them to run away. Anyone with a blink or hard CC is a better ganker than him IMO. [quote=Pølsemanden] ^shaco can do it lvl 6 with madreds^ [/quote] I assume that Volibear can too but it requires him to not take his ult.[/quote]

[quote=Xenasis][quote=Lugignaf] I'm implying he has bad ganks though. He's like Udyr in the fact they they have to over-extend to be the most effective. Unlike Udyr though, he has to get closer to his tower before he attacks or he makes it easier for them to run away. Anyone with a blink or hard CC is a better ganker than him IMO. [/quote] Oh, I thought you post was a satirical parody of mine. I think about things too much. I'd agree to some extent - and on most of your points. They have to reach you to kill you, and honestly that usually doesn't happen, but if he does reach them they are usually dead.[/quote]

[quote=Lugignaf]No problem. Also, at your "Nerf [[frenzy]] by more than 5-10% and it'll be bad." Is an understatement. He doesn't have the cooldowns to be a solid tank/threat with only 1 form of hard CC. 18 second cooldown on the 1K damage nuke, not the biggest threat. Lowest cooldown of 8 seconds and that's his hard CC... His early game is terrible and he's super, super gear dependent IMO. I'm eagerly awaiting light buffs.[/quote]