Stop this hate on Supportzilean

[quote=JMastiff]@The John http://www.mobafire.com/league-of-legends/forum/general/what-happened-to-the-role-of-the-mage-10569?page=2 look at DuffTime's first post[/quote]

[quote=Yukimaru][quote=Wintermond] [quote=Luther3000] ^ Yuki actually plays with Winter, Xenasis and myself fairly often. His Zilean is fine[size=1]*[/size] and we've won lanes using it, but it doesn't make support Zilean good. [size=1]* Huehuehuehue.[/size] [/quote] I didn't see him do well on support Zilean for a ton of games. [/quote] That's because, ignoring the Soraka games cuz Soraka screws him, when we do well you dont care bout me while my ults are actually make a big part to it(if we dont roflstomp em anyways but if thats the case i could just also have played something like support...tryndamere in bot!) And when we not do well u always blame me cuz in your Brain is all this Livestreamshit when its not even my fault we lost :/[/quote]

[quote=Wintermond]^Lol. You should know that I don't care much about livestreams or the way pro players play their stuff(except Dyrus, Dyrus is awesome), I only see that in most of the games where you played support Zil, it wasn't good. Zil's ult is ofc strong late game, but that's the champ. I'm talking about the idea of support Zilean, and that's, simply put, a bad idea because it doesn't work well. I don't even blame you, I only criticize your performance and I am blunt in such things, especially to my friends.[/quote]

[quote=TheJohn][quote=JMastiff] @The John http://www.mobafire.com/league-of-legends/forum/general/what-happened-to-the-role-of-the-mage-10569?page=2 look at DuffTime's first post [/quote] Yeah, I've read that one before. Thats a good reason to like mages with low CDs[/quote]

[quote=DuffTime][quote=Wintermond] No, lol. Zilean IS unviable as a support, that has nothing to do with the meta, high elo or uncommon(not unviable) supports. [/quote] I mostly agree with this and I'm a guy who thinks fairly open mindedly and always wants to discover new "Things" :P Support Yorick does everything support Zilean does better, except he has no speed boosters. [quote=LordAerthos] Streams and Pros are great ways to learn what a champ is capable of, but that does not necessarily mean that everybody can play a champ the same way. [/quote] I should add, it's only good for showing what has been proven to work. There are a lot of other things that work well too. [quote=Yukimaru] while my ults are actually make a big part to it [/quote] Do this with Yorick. Win the lane better, and your ultimate is better than Zil's ult for fights. Gee freakin Gee.[/quote]

[quote=Xenasis][quote=Luther3000] fine[size=1]*[/size] [size=1]* Huehuehuehue.[/size] [/quote] Lol'd. Well played.[/quote]

[quote=Zeprido]Support Zilean has no reliable heal or hard CC in lane, his harass pushes the lane and makes the lane prone to ganks, and other champions simply out class him as a support champion.[/quote]

[quote=DuffTime][quote=Zeprido] Support Zilean has no reliable heal or hard CC in lane, his harass pushes the lane and makes the lane prone to ganks, and other champions simply out class him as a support champion. [/quote] His slow is really good but... You are correct, outclassed.[/quote]

[quote=Zeprido][quote=DuffTime] [quote=Zeprido] Support Zilean has no reliable heal or hard CC in lane, his harass pushes the lane and makes the lane prone to ganks, and other champions simply out class him as a support champion. [/quote] His slow is really good but... You are correct, outclassed. [/quote] Back in the day he could be considered a support, his kit needs AP for stronger damage and stronger ults (better revive), much better AP carry atm.[/quote]

[quote=Diesel][quote=TheJohn] Support Zil - Check what Trojan said AP Zil - 1 nuke skill My suggestion: dont get zilean [/quote] But. The EXP Bonus! iah, The double-bomb is nice, but if Zilean isn't stealing CS throughout the laning phase and can't get proper items for his bombs to do sufficient damage, every fight is a 4v5. Even if his ult seems "OP", it's just like a Guardian Angel, once you know the revive is happening, most smart opponents just crowd the lane in order to re-CC and re-kill the carry.[/quote]