fids isn't thaaat great.

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Udyr seems to be pretty much the same to me. Granted I only did his route 2-3 times before the patch, but my health seems to be pretty much the same now as it was before. Don't really know how badly it affects his late game.

Obviusly no doge hasn't affected his jungle at all, but I'm more concenred about mid-lategame teamfights wanna see if that's actually hindering him or is just a negligible loss

He will be in next tierlist update tested him a bit

He's bad with the new jungle, considering his ganks are also bad bfore lvl 6 and that he clears very slow, there is no reason for him to be any higher
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let's say if ther was a champion with a passive debuff to enemy damage, a skillshot nuke, a shield granting slow on his attack, an AoE armor debuff and a suppression ult with depositioning, he would prolly be 1st in the for fun tier indeed, and maybe even to consider in a serious tier (even if not high) due to great ganking potential and disruprive power,
yet I should test it to be sure where to place it.
Sadly there is no such a champion in the league of legends to my knoweledge.
You should add this hypothetical champion to the list.
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Yeah it would almost remind you of Urgot but that would be preposterous.

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Moar amazing stuff for the sapling lovers!
So I was gonna play
Q dodge happens, next team has some of my teammates other are enemies, they ban udyr, I go
At game start they all invade golem to stop me, bad news, I'm not there, I'm at wraits *****es.
when I get at golem they're trying to steal it but I smite it and run
WW top gives away 1st blood out of lag I go to gank top as soon as possible but enemy makes it out by a silver and starts chuning on potions, meanwhile enemy Sona keeps clervoyancing me like EVERYWHERE, I sincerely thought "OMG HAX"
I try gank top again we're nearly there hen lee shows up, both me and WW die
Long story short by the 18 min mark between bad start, kennen getting pwnt by malz and lee sin roaming freely we're down 11-2 with boh kills on soraka...
From that moment on, we start cathing up big despite OMGSOFED Riven.
We win lot's of teamfights thx to me and WW ****ting on malz right off the bat and we finally win the game 26 to 26
I doubt I could have done that with any other jungler.
^_^