Ok let's talk about Ryze...

[quote=Nighthawk]^ Wrong, especially since they nerfed that shit -_- edit: you're right since you meant instead of second RoA :o[/quote]

[quote=example1013]but not more damage.[/quote]

[quote=caucheka]i said if someone on my team has a wota then why buy anotherrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr[/quote]

[quote=example1013]double auras duh[/quote]

[quote=DuffTime][quote=Nighthawk] edit: you're right since you meant instead of second RoA :o [/quote] *Facepalm Don't buy RoA at all. [quote=example1013] but not more damage. [/quote] But Void staff -will- offer more damage than RoA. [quote=caucheka] i said if someone on my team has a wota then why buy anotherrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr [/quote] Generally Ryze is one of the last champions alive, and if you're on your own or split off you really want the WotA. Double WotA OP too, but if you're talking ideal scenarios and someone else already has one, RoA may be the better theoretical pick, but I doubt it's much better. Might even be worse still o:[/quote]

[quote=Nighthawk]yep that's what I meant too Duff, why buy a second RoA? :o[/quote]

[quote=example1013]Just the only reason I would say RoA is a good pick-up is that in build order you can rush it and get some serious benefit early in terms of mana and HP, while WotA is an item you buy later. Lol I'd never say skip Void Staff for RoA. % mpen is way too good to pass up, and I put that item as core for every AP I can think of.[/quote]

[quote=DuffTime][quote=Nighthawk] yep that's what I meant too Duff, why buy a second RoA? :o [/quote] Don't buy ONE RoA. Don't buy any RoA's at all D:[/quote]

[quote=DuffTime][quote=example1013] Just the only reason I would say RoA is a good pick-up is that in build order you can rush it and get some serious benefit early in terms of mana and HP, while WotA is an item you buy later. Lol I'd never say skip Void Staff for RoA. % mpen is way too good to pass up, and I put that item as core for every AP I can think of. [/quote] So then you don't build? FH? BV? AA? WotA?[/quote]

[quote=Maserato]The only champ capable of good roa stacking is singed. Fun stuff . But tear catalyst glacial shroud is like his early to mid game holy trinity[/quote]