Yorick: The infinite sustain douchebag, and how...

[quote=Darcurse]Same thing on Udyr and Sion. Even while Sion can win a sustain battle he'll definitely lose an aggressive trade. @Kurt And like you already said in your first post "what you've learnd", I bet you never even had a solo top face-off between Sion and Yorick, not to mention that you don't seem to play Sion yourself.[/quote]

[quote=Luther3000]-late to thread- [quote=Kurt_Ottman] Oh, and the first item I get is either [[Spirit Visage]] or [[Chalice of harmony]]. [/quote] Really?[/quote]

[quote=tehAsian]Wait. [[spirit visage]] or [[chalice of harmony]] on [[udyr]]. Tell me how they work. Please. I'm very interested.[/quote]

[quote=DN 8Shot]Pretty nice. Though I find Yorick particularly easy to beat if you're [icon=Tryndamere size=18], [icon=Nidalee size=18] or [icon=Warwick size=18] and you start with a [icon=Null-Magic Mantle size=18] / 2 pots. The Magic Damage from both his Leech Ghoul and Slow Ghoul are significantly reduced, and then even getting possibly an [icon=Executioner's Calling size=18] - well... there goes [icon=Yorick size=18]'s sustain. Nice explanation though :D[/quote]

[quote=tehAsian][[executioner's calling]] is a crappy item that should never be bought and according to most people (this was discussed before) [quote] If [[warwick]] is scaring you enough to buy a crappy item, then you're losing your lane[/quote] Or something like that. If you start [[null-magic mantle]] he'll heal off creeps. Then he'll bash you in with his shovel and have an advantage because he starts with more [[health potion]]s. [[tryndamere]] gets beaten by [[yorick]] because he'll get denied the creeps songs can't heal with [[bloodlust]]. [[nidalee]] has a range advantage, but has no real damage other than AA pokes and will lose in trades. [[warwick]] has great sustain, but I'm pretty sure he would lose trades early on. I actually don't know about this one.[/quote]

[quote=Kurt_Ottman][quote=tehAsian] Wait. [[spirit visage]] or [[chalice of harmony]] on [[udyr]]. Tell me how they work. Please. I'm very interested. [/quote] [[Spirit visage]] is a great early game item on Udyr, it gives you anything you want, especially the CDR. [[Chalice of harmony]] is mainly against magic abilities. It works amazingly because you can mass-heal quickly by activating your passive twice then going into Turtle, giving you a few very fast AA's to heal up on. You can pretty much ignore Yorick's harass with it. I can't decide which one works best on him, they work the same way, against magic abilities. But [[Spirit Visage]] gets you early CDR, which is huge if you want to go aggressive, as it enables you to pull off bear and a quick tiger to wear them down. Chalice is more for passive spamming, mainly renewing turtle style whenever someone tries to harass you.[/quote]

[quote=Mooninites]i think trundle actually counters yorick pretty hard with his passive, could be wrong though, top lane isn't my forte[/quote]

[quote=RaNuD][quote=Mooninites] i think trundle actually counters yorick pretty hard with his passive, could be wrong though, top lane isn't my forte [/quote] He is, actually he's the only top I'M really comfortable with against Yorrick. EDIT: Gonna try Sion for sure though.[/quote]

[quote=tehAsian]I think [[trundle]] is a passive player solution. [[sion]] is a "I wanna completely make [[yorick]] useless/overpower him and kill him" type of counter. @Kurt [[spirit visage]]: 15% Increase to health regeneration. 15% of 10% is a 1.5% increase. For the same price, you can get [[recurve bow]] and [[vampiric scepter]], building into [[wit's end]] and [[wriggle's lantern]]. What's the point of switching stances if you're primarily using just one? [[chalice of harmony]]: =______= [[turtle stance]] for mana, get [[negatron cloak]] and [[vampiric scepter]] for same price. Want Cdr? Get blue elixir. Cheap as hell and efficient, same cdr as SV, and MUCH better than buying a 1500 item and selling it later when you aren't going to use it.[/quote]

[quote=Luther3000][quote=Kurt_Ottman] [[Spirit visage]] is a great early game item on Udyr, it gives you anything you want, especially the CDR. [[Chalice of harmony]] is mainly against magic abilities. It works amazingly because you can mass-heal quickly by activating your passive twice then going into Turtle, giving you a few very fast AA's to heal up on. You can pretty much ignore Yorick's harass with it. I can't decide which one works best on him, they work the same way, against magic abilities. But [[Spirit Visage]] gets you early CDR, which is huge if you want to go aggressive, as it enables you to pull off bear and a quick tiger to wear them down. Chalice is more for passive spamming, mainly renewing turtle style whenever someone tries to harass you. [/quote] Spirit Visage is okay-ish on Udyr but I wouldn't build it that early. Chalice of Harmony though...Really? I can't think of a worse item to build on Udyr. He has absolutely no problem with mana...so why? Why on EARTH wouldn't you just get a [[Wit's End]]? It's simply so much better than either of those items.[/quote]