Can you beat graves and soraka in lane?

[quote=brownwabbit]So I've been solo queueing a lot recently and I think 20 out of the last 21 games I have played have been against Graves. I've been playing corki pretty consistently and have definitely won lane more often than not. However, if the graves is paired with a soraka, the lane is just so stupidly strong; graves has that great early game where he does the same damage as other Ad carries but can take 10x the hits. I think I've beaten the lane once with a taric support (just focused raka and left graves alone) but that was only because the graves was bad. Do you guys have any tips? Should I learn urgot? Does any other AD carry do well (I know cait can do fine but she's just way too easy and boring for me... same reason I don't play graves :)) Thanks for the help, A player who thinks Graves is too strong[/quote]

[quote=Crows foot]Sivir is a counter to graves. Spellshield his burst a pop q. You won the trade and almost didn't lose any mana![/quote]

[quote=MDC][quote=Crows foot] Sivir is a counter to graves. Spellshield his burst a pop q. You won the trade and almost didn't lose any mana! [/quote] Wild Graves appears dashing. Sivir uses bubble. Graves uses Smokescreen to pop the bubble. It's super effective![/quote]

[quote=CasterMaster]Ever seen [[vayne]] + [[alistar]] combo? Good sustain and killer lane. Will rip apart [[graves]] and [[soraka]] in no time[/quote]

[quote=Anandre]I've never seen Vayne do well against Graves. That said, I ban Soraka if I'm captain. Fuck that bitch, all of her lanes are stupid.[/quote]

[quote=brownwabbit][quote=CasterMaster] Ever seen [[vayne]] + [[alistar]] combo? Good sustain and killer lane. Will rip apart [[graves]] and [[soraka]] in no time [/quote] In my experience, vayne and ali have a ton of trouble against graves raka. Graves is a pretty hard counter to Vayne in lane and she's so weak early whereas he's so strong. Although it may just be that I suck at vayne (played like 30 games as her and just can't get the hang of her). I like the sivir idea! Paired with taric I figured you could literally 100%-0% soraka in 1 stun combo.[/quote]

[quote=Wayne3100][[Caitlyn]] could do well against [[Graves]] because of her advantage in terms of range, but at the same time [[Soraka]] is a very good support against carries/supports that have poke like Cait, so it's not the best choice imo. Great picks against [[Soraka]] are [[Miss Fortune]] and [[Tristana]], because they have a healing reduction and also deal a lot of magic damage through their abilities which is great since [[Soraka]]'s [[Astral Blessing]] gives such a strong armor buff. Their early game damage is also high, so I'd definitely go for one of those two. As for supports, I think [[Taric]] is a great choice since his laning is just so strong and he has heals too. [[Alistar]] is ok but his W-Q combo can be interrupted by [[Soraka]]'s silence so that's something to watch out for. The same goes for a really aggressive lane with [[Leona]] and her E-Q combo. Finally, another aggressive choice for a "kill lane" would be [[Blitzcrank]]. If you manage to land his grab a couple of times and deal some good damage, [[Soraka]] really shouldn't be able to keep her carry / herself alive. If you are going to run a lane with a support without heals, however, make sure you don't get poked too much and don't just trade damage with them, since [[Soraka]] will heal her carry back up to full health while your support won't. tl;dr Suggested lanes: [[Taric]] + [[Miss Fortune]] / [[Blitzcrank]] + [[Tristana]][/quote]

[quote=Lugignaf]Adding on to that, if you can bait the heal out, just change targets. 20 second CD on a heal is quite long to only work on one target. If Soraka heals herself, she can't protect the carry and vise versa. Killing one without baiting the heal is the really hard part and you're going to have to invest a lot of resources after Soraka hits six if you [b]really[/b] want to kill them and just just waste the ult.[/quote]

[quote=The_Nameless_Bard]I'm weird in that I like to counterpick supports xD I find that [[Nidalee]] is a pretty good counter. She can easily dish out more damage than [[Soraka]] can heal in one go, even with no AP. [[Taric]] and [[Janna]] are also pretty strong counters to [[Soraka]] because they can constantly CC her. [[Alistar]] isn't a bad pick, but his CC is all melee range and a [[Soraka]] who gets close enough to get hit by that is an idiot. [[Sona]] is a strong pick against [[Soraka]] because she has lower mana costs and the CDs to heal constantly, whereas [[Soraka]] will run out fast if she has to heal a lot and has a long CD on her heal. Now we get into some of the weirder ones: [[Kayle]] isn't a common pick, but she can push the two around because her Q has such good early game damage. [[Soraka]] can heal, sure, but her longer CDs and higher mana costs will make it so Kayle can push [[Graves]] around a bit. [[Lux]] and [[Morgana]] (not optimal supports, but workable) can both push [[Graves]] around pretty well and if played well will run [[Soraka]] out of mana pretty constantly trying to keep up with their damage. [[Shen]] (again, better in other roles but workable) will outsustain [[Soraka]] easily. Throw a couple [[Vorpal Blade]]s to keep your carry sustained and because he's a ninja he will pretty much never have to leave because he's "oom". If I think of anymore I will add them to the post xD[/quote]

[quote=Crows foot]Nunu support works, walk in front of buckshots, iceblast, consume to heal up and bloodboil running[/quote]