AD Melee's with Gap Closer Mid

[quote=b3astliness]Hey guys, recently I had a troll idea to go on [[Xin Zhao]] and go mid. I expected to be rolf stomped by the enemy AP mid. Funny thing is it went quite the opposite way with me face rolling their [[Fizz]]. I've also had similar experiences against [[Malzahar]], [[Kennen]](was pretty hard lane, but I am pretty sure it was the player), [[Cassiopeia]], [[Veigar]] and [[Morgana]](Also a hard lane barely won this one, I think its the snare). From my experiences anyone with hard cc and decent sustain makes your lane hard when midding as Xin. Basically how viable is a gap closing melee mid with cc ( ex. [[Irelia]], [[Xin Zhao]]) against the average AP mid.[/quote]

[quote=Atarios]Only ones I find viable mid would be [[Talon]] and [[Pantheon]] Correct me if I'm wrong.[/quote]

[quote=Searz]You can't win mid with a melee AD champion if the enemy is a ranged AP. Otherwise it works.[/quote]

[quote=Embracing][quote=Searz] You can't win mid with a melee AD champion if the enemy is a ranged AP. Otherwise it works. [/quote] There are exceptions o_o[/quote]

[quote=Klausenheim][quote=Searz] You can't win mid with a melee AD champion if the enemy is a ranged AP. Otherwise it works. [/quote] 9/10, would read again. +rep[/quote]

[quote=Searz][quote=RosePhoenix] [quote=Searz] You can't win mid with a melee AD champion if the enemy is a ranged AP. Otherwise it works.[/quote] There are exceptions o_o[/quote] There are always exceptions.[/quote]

[quote=The Overmyynd][[talon]] [[katarina]] are both terrors in mid lane, and are considered counter-carries. This is actually halfway common in high elo. [[talon]] has [[cutthroat]] and [[katarina]] has [[shunpo]] for gap closers, and both of them have great escapes to get out of tight situations, and way op AOE ults. @Searz, y u no mention this????[/quote]

[quote=Lugignaf]Most AP carries are trounced by gap closers. They can't handle the close-quarters fighting. That's why Fizz used to be a real terror. Dunno why he dropped off really.[/quote]

[quote=JEFFY40HANDS]Fizz dropped off because he's too easily beaten mid by ranged APs and DPS casters like Cass or Ryze. Fizz is a strong counter to Vlad though because of the grievous wounds+ %health DoT he can apply. As well....Sending a melee AD mid is just asking for them to get zoned/harassed/killed. If someone wants to go Talon mid, he can "do well" but overall I find him to be all hype as a "mid counter" Cass/Ryze/Gragas all easily shut him down. Overall the concept is there but Talon's kit doesn't allow for him to really trade at all.[/quote]

[quote=Searz][quote=The Overmyynd] [[talon]] [[katarina]] are both terrors in mid lane, and are considered counter-carries. This is actually halfway common in high elo. [[talon]] has [[cutthroat]] and [[katarina]] has [[shunpo]] for gap closers, and both of them have great escapes to get out of tight situations, and way op AOE ults. @Searz, y u no mention this????[/quote] You didn't understand my statement. Read it again.[/quote]