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AD Melee's with Gap Closer Mid

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May 17, 2012 8:48pm
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Hey guys, recently I had a troll idea to go on Xin Zhao and go mid. I expected to be rolf stomped by the enemy AP mid. Funny thing is it went quite the opposite way with me face rolling their Fizz. I've also had similar experiences against Malzahar, Kennen(was pretty hard lane, but I am pretty sure it was the player), Cassiopeia, Veigar and Morgana(Also a hard lane barely won this one, I think its the snare). From my experiences anyone with hard cc and decent sustain makes your lane hard when midding as Xin. Basically how viable is a gap closing melee mid with cc ( ex. Irelia, Xin Zhao) against the average AP mid.


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Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep | Commend by Atarios » May 18, 2012 4:28am | Report
Only ones I find viable mid would be Talon and Pantheon

Correct me if I'm wrong.
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You can't win mid with a melee AD champion if the enemy is a ranged AP. Otherwise it works.
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Searz wrote:

You can't win mid with a melee AD champion if the enemy is a ranged AP. Otherwise it works.

There are exceptions o_o
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Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep | Commend by Klausenheim » May 18, 2012 6:26am | Report
Searz wrote:

You can't win mid with a melee AD champion if the enemy is a ranged AP. Otherwise it works.


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There are exceptions o_o

There are always exceptions.
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Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep | Commend by The Overmyynd » May 18, 2012 9:21am | Report
Talon Katarina are both terrors in mid lane, and are considered counter-carries. This is actually halfway common in high elo. Talon has cutthroat and Katarina has Shunpo for gap closers, and both of them have great escapes to get out of tight situations, and way op AOE ults.

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Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep | Commend by Lugignaf » May 18, 2012 10:16am | Report
Most AP carries are trounced by gap closers. They can't handle the close-quarters fighting.

That's why Fizz used to be a real terror. Dunno why he dropped off really.
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Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep | Commend by JEFFY40HANDS » May 18, 2012 10:39am | Report
Fizz dropped off because he's too easily beaten mid by ranged APs and DPS casters like Cass or Ryze.

Fizz is a strong counter to Vlad though because of the grievous wounds+ %health DoT he can apply.

As well....Sending a melee AD mid is just asking for them to get zoned/harassed/killed.

If someone wants to go Talon mid, he can "do well" but overall I find him to be all hype as a "mid counter" Cass/Ryze/Gragas all easily shut him down. Overall the concept is there but Talon's kit doesn't allow for him to really trade at all.
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Talon Katarina are both terrors in mid lane, and are considered counter-carries. This is actually halfway common in high elo. Talon has cutthroat and Katarina has Shunpo for gap closers, and both of them have great escapes to get out of tight situations, and way op AOE ults.

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