Darius: OP or no?

[quote=DuffTime][quote=Rudmed] Yah but winning 4v1 or 3v1 is dumb. Even more so when they have CC to stop him from doing all his stuff. No champion should be able to win against the situation Arcana described. The CC should just lock him up and stop him dead cold. DEAD COLD! [/quote] See also, Katarina, Akali, AP Yi, etc.[/quote]

[quote=Fox Rage]If Darius's ult didn't refresh or at least didn't do true fucking damage, he'd be balanced. Might want to lower his Q's early game damage too.[/quote]

[quote=EvilDice]his ult and passive are retarded as fuck[/quote]

[quote=NicknameMy]His passive alone isn't that strong early, but I found out that it is in combination with [[ignite]] really painfull. If you can apply enough stacks, this wins you lanes easily.[/quote]

[quote=Rudmed][quote=Opaque_Shadow] [quote=Rudmed] [quote=Opaque_Shadow] [[darius]] is definately [u]NOT[/u] over powered. I have seen him absolutely wreck 3 or 4 people, yes. However, if you just have your jungler farm him like the escape-less noxian rotary target that he is, he can do nothing. The thing that makes him strong is his ult refresh and frankly it doesn't do much because many people don't know how to manage his passive procs to ensure max damage. The reason he can own groups is because they allow him to get close enough for his Q to hit them all, which gives him the first proc on everyone (assuming he didn't pull them already). Then when someone tries to retreat he pulls them, which is where he gets the team. Most of the group kills I have seen have come from people being to close to one another when he drops that pull. After he pulls in 3 champs they WILL all die at this stage is the player is any good and knows who to focus. He will cripple the first target, ult them, then auto attack next one/use abilities, ult them, wash/rinse/repeat. The thing to remember is that it is a positioning problem, not a balance problem. Simply put: spread out and kill him often, then [[darius]] will be useless. [/quote] Yah but winning 4v1 or 3v1 is dumb. Even more so when they have CC to stop him from doing all his stuff. No champion should be able to win against the situation Arcana described. The CC should just lock him up and stop him dead cold. DEAD COLD! [/quote] None of the champs in arcana's situation had any real, hard CC with the exception of [[ahri]] and potentially [[alistair]] depending on if his abilities were on CD or not before he could use them. Yes, if there had been any good CC he should have died. However, a brief knock-up and relatively short charm that pulls the MELEE champ TOWARDS YOU doesn't really count imo, in the case of the latter it probably helps him. That being said, I wasn't there so I don't know exactly what happened, maybe it was BS maybe it wasn't. I have seen [[master yi]], [[ashe]], [[miss fortune]] and many others win 3 or 4 v 1s before, yet no one immediately assumes that it was from being op. Theoretically it is possible for any champ to pull that off in the proper situation. And if anyone wants to say that they see [[darius]] pull this more than anyone else, ask yourself this: do you see it more because he's OP? or do you see it more because you want to be right about how OP you predicted he would be? Or what if you see it more because he is over played right now because everyone is trying the new champ? [/quote] When did this become whether I want to believe he is OP? To be honest, he seems strong and maybe he is OP. Also allow me to reprhase my statement, "No champions...should be able to go into a 4v1, possibly a 3v1, with champions that are on equal or near equal farm/kills, with that much hard CC and win." @Caster: The ones you've seen aren't doing it right. They build pretty tanky with a BT and Frozen as their main offensive then build tank. Letting Darius' ult do the work for them when they can, and sustaining in fights till their abilities come off cooldown. However we all know during the time his abilities are off CD his passive has done damage along with his autoattacks. Also quick question, his passive gives him movement speed right?[/quote]

[quote=caucheka]yeah, 5% per champion affected by his passive. its not that much but it helps, he needs it.[/quote]

[quote=MyRepublic][quote=DuffTime] See also, Katarina, Akali, AP Yi, etc. [/quote] 1v5 triple kills nearly every game with [[akali]]? nah man that ain't me. That ain't me.[/quote]

[quote=Space Marine 4000]If he has a decent early game, he can spiral out of control, and the insta cooldown on his ult is the only really op thing he has.[/quote]

[quote=Opaque_Shadow][quote=tehAsian] [quote=Opaque_Shadow] I have seen [[master yi]], [[ashe]], [[miss fortune]] and many others win 3 or 4 v 1s before, yet no one immediately assumes that it was from being op. Theoretically it is possible for any champ to pull that off in the proper situation. [/quote] The funny thing is they all build some kind of lifesteal which is one of the main factors that allow them to 1v3 given enough farm or if they get fed enough. Not OP, it's normal. And in Arcana's example, every champion had hard CC. Noc has a 2 second fear, [[Vayne]] and [[alistar]] have knockbacks and stuns, [[ahri]] has 2 second charm. How da fuq did he survive? [/quote] Yes, but you are assuming they all used this CC on him one after another rather than just spamming it all at once and not really doing anything to control him.[/quote]

[quote=MyRepublic][quote=Opaque_Shadow] Yes, but you are assuming they all used this CC on him one after another rather than just spamming it all at once and not really doing anything to control him. [/quote] This man. He has a point. 5 two second stuns still only lasts two seconds. If I did my math right.[/quote]