AD vs AP - A discussion about damage

[quote=Crows foot]But then again you have ryze, cassio etc. that is chosen for great dps when it comes to ap. Over 1-2 secs they don't have the highest damage, and then you count 5-6 seconds they excel. Then again at maybe 10-12 secs they are challenged again but go on through a fight they win out.[/quote]

[quote=OTGBionicArm][quote=H4xDefender] AD is pretty close to AP, they serve different functions. AD outclassed by AP early but outclasses them late for the most part. Bruisers have it worse then both overall though. [/quote] Bruisers have their jobs cut out for them just fine, their job either to decimate the opposing AD carry ([[Olaf]], [[Poppy]]), or peel people off their AD Carry ([[Hecarim]], [[Volibear]]). Why people think Bruisers are in a bad place right now is beyond me[/quote]

[quote=BusDriver210]The argument of burst vs consistent damage isn't really what I was getting at. AD used to have a hard counter in the dodge mechanic, but with dodge removed armor just doesn't seem to match up against [[Last Whisper]]. Against AP your able to build a decent amount of MR followed by a great deal of health. Like I said, I don't play much AP. I don't know numbers on high burst, but when I'm criting for 800+ damage it just doesn't seem like AP can compare numbers wise. Edit: I have also heard they are changing [[Phantom Dancer]] after season 2. Interesting...[/quote]

[quote=Luther3000]They're not supposed to compare, AP is supposed to be strong early-mid and AD is supposed to be strong late to make up for how weak they are without items. There are champions that build AP and scale well into late, eg [[vlad]], but even then they're not really a match for an AD.[/quote]

[quote=OTGBionicArm]This again explains why the meta can be summarized as "Protect [[Graves]] as he demolishes the other team."[/quote]

[quote=BusDriver210][quote=Luther3000] They're not supposed to compare, AP is supposed to be strong early-mid and AD is supposed to be strong late to make up for how weak they are without items. There are champions that build AP and scale well into late, eg [[vlad]], but even then they're not really a match for an AD. [/quote] Right, but where does [[Karthus]] or [[Veigar]] fall in? They don't really fall off lategame and they have the potential to match consistent AD damage.[/quote]

[quote=OTGBionicArm]They are more specific. There are a very AP Hyper carries (you missed [[Ryze]]) but they go with specific setups and require different tactics. [[Karthus]] just suicides and uni-bombs a team, no help needed.[/quote]

[quote=Luther3000][quote=BusDriver210] [quote=Luther3000] They're not supposed to compare, AP is supposed to be strong early-mid and AD is supposed to be strong late to make up for how weak they are without items. There are champions that build AP and scale well into late, eg [[vlad]], but even then they're not really a match for an AD. [/quote] Right, but where does [[Karthus]] or [[Veigar]] fall in? They don't really fall off lategame and they have the potential to match consistent AD damage. [/quote] Karthus has much lower single target DPS and Veigar has no DPS at all. To quote the almighty DuffTime, I like oranges but apples are great too.[/quote]

[quote=Arkharan]ADc is for manly men[/quote]

[quote=OTGBionicArm]I only feel manly as an AD carry when playing [[Graves]] or [[Draven]]. The rest of em are too sissy.[/quote]