About downvotes...

[quote=jackattack052]I love to give very in-depth reasoning to downvotes. I hate when people just troll your build, so I naturally give a lot of reasons. People who flame my comments and critiques really annoy me. People need to be thankful they get input on their build/guide, and not get mad they got a downvote with a reason. My latest downvote was pretty well thought out. Here it is: "Expanded mind? Seriously? That gives you such low mana, it's a joke. Also, perseverance is nearly nothing. You don't even get strength of spirit to compliment the HP regen. 4% of 26 per 5 is an extra one per 5. ONE. 10% death reduction is a much better choice. Why don't you get 30% neutral buff increase if you stress mana regeneration? She's a DPS, so she has rights to the golem and lizard. That's just the masteries. If she's a dps, why didn't you go offensive path and gain armor pen atk speed and 5% damage increase? Then just take the 9 and put it in STR of spirit for amazing hp regen. Those are two separate paths, either buffs and CD or offense and damage. If you have mana troubles, why not get a tear early and get the extra 27AP at lvl 18 instead of flat mana regen? you know that per level is better by level FIVE, right? Your items. She has a constant speed boost. Of 12%. You don't need swiftness if you have that, get sorc. to improve your DPS. Her spammable reckoning and ghost should be FAR enough to keep up, even without divine blessing. 20 MP is a great asset to her power. Banshee's is very late for me. Not until about 8000 gold in do you get it. The effects aren't going to benefit as long, and farming with Kayle is very challenging, so that will probably be your last item, leaving out your top build item madreds. Seriously? This late it won't even be gotten to 75% of the time. I can't see hextech even being of any use to you at this point. I know you say it's a build not a guide, but nowadays you pretty much have to couple them together so people can understand your thinking. -1 from me. I don't like the label that people carry like this; other builds get way less votes and views even if they do work hard at it. Obviously not your fault however." The author then proceeded to get extremely mad about how I gave "no reason" as to why I downvoted and call me a troll.[/quote]

[quote=Diesel]The way you set your comment up probably got him/her upset since you're giving the offset reaction that you're better than him/her. I don't understand the whole "no reason" thing though, that's just dumb. lol[/quote]

[quote=Mowen]To be honest you sound pretty angry. If you sound angry people will equate it to you trying to be mean. Try to sound more calm when you're critiquing peoples builds, and try not to make it sound like you have final say on everything. There is always multiple ways to build every hero. That's also a lot of information to take in at once. You should probably just say one or 2 things, and then if you see that the author is accepting of your criticism, you can explain more. I wouldn't bother going to so much work nitpicking the build when you don't even know if they will listen. I agree with you that accepting criticism is important, but I think you could do better about your delivery of it.[/quote]

[quote=Vaan99]This comment is nice constructive criticism, but you shouldn't use so much offensive language and pretending to know everything, at least you shouldn't give downvote, you could just comment if you don't like it...[/quote]

[quote=Shak3y][quote=Vaan99] This comment is nice constructive criticism, but you shouldn't use so much offensive language and pretending to know everything, at least you shouldn't give downvote, you could just comment if you don't like it... [/quote] Vann, i feel this defeats the purpose of a downvote. But that discussion of for another topic. [h2][b]To OP and others.[/b][/h2] Imo you obs took the time to read his build and give your constructive crit. to him. But you approach it in such a way that he will not listen in the first place. "Expanded mind? Seriously? That gives you such low mana, it's a joke. Also, perseverance is nearly nothing." This is a very strong opening to your comment, esp with the it's a joke bit. This will instantly cause the build owner to rage at you. Even though you're being helpful. Next time you could say something like this instead: [color=yellow]Hi, [INSERT THEIR NAME] "You make some really great points with this build and it's has great potential. But i find it hard to agree with [INSERT YOUR DISAGREEMENT HERE]. Have you thought about trying [INSERT YOUR SUGGESTION HERE]? unfortuantly i have to -1 your build. Although i will reconsider and +1 if you re-analysis this build. [INSERT WELL MEANING PHRASE (I.E All the best,) [YOUR NAME][/color] Note how instead of telling the other person how they should change the build you are asking them (which the OP has done) And the question is presented in a positive way. [i]"Have you considered.....?"[/i] instead of [i]"Why don't you....?[/i] Use of negative words or phrases is bad and will cause the person to feel like you're lecturing them, even though you are just trying to give your opinion. Next is the use of the "ultimatum" (I know this is a strong word, but i can't think of an alternative) This is giving them the opportunity to reconsider their build to gain your positive vote. Which gives the builder the incentive to consider your comments and not feel like they are being hard done by. Finally, the goodbye. Say goodbye and sign your name!!!!! It creates a personal tone to the whole message and apart from lightening the mood of your -1 comment. IT ALSO CREATES GOOD COMMUNITY RELATIONSHIP. I hope this post helps you and others to realise that words and the way we say them matter. Remember there is no emotion or expression online, therefore the way we word a sentence actually matters. happy "happy" commenting, Shak[color=blue]3[/color]y[/quote]

[quote=Jebus McAzn]^Completely qft. Human psychology is an interesting thing, but it's rather intuitive that if you criticize so harshly, the author will not take to it as well as he would a more polite, civilized response.[/quote]

[quote=Mowen]Great examples Shak3y, I was trying to think of something along those lines to say but couldn't think of good examples like you. :) I would seriously listen to Shak3y's advice if you want people to accept your criticism. It is just kind've a fact to life that people are more likely to listen to your opinion if you are polite.[/quote]

[quote=jackattack052]I will take all of this into my thoughts for future comments. Thank you for helping me figure out how to give better criticism, and less condescending comments.[/quote]

[quote=Trojan995]I went through a similar thing on Jebus McAzn's Caitlyn guide, except I was admittedly too harsh and gave less feedback. When I rephrased my answer in such a way as to both compliment and give my concerns, he got the gist of my disagreements without feeling like I was attacking his build. I'd say that the best thing to do is start out with a "there are many things I like about this build, but I'd like to point out some things I disagree with." Then say something you like, then something you dislike, concluding with something you liked. [quote]Alright, here's a bit of feedback (using the "constructive criticism sammich" I learned recently): I like that you manage mana well (runes & sheen) without sacrificing any damage. You lack a decent amount of AD until your B.F. Sword, which is pretty far into the build considering it's after the Trinity Force. I like how you actually focus on ArPen, and your situational items are all inredibly beneficial. But, y'know, if you mind at least pointing out the most commonly used situational items, it'd be much appreciated :P[/quote] This is the comment I posted on Jebus McAzn's Caitlyn guide after he pointed out my original comment was less than helpful. I was surprised to find that he took all of my suggestions after I posted this. One last thing I might recommend is to use clear, concise language and avoid hyperboles and exaggerations at all costs. Saying "I like this build, but you have 0 mana after 2 skills" usually will drive a person mad, and instead of focusing on the gist of the comment, which was "focus on mana & MP5", the person will mostly just focus on the "0 mana after 2 skills" and contradict with a "NOOOO I can use at least 3 skills before I run out of mana!". To the OP: This isn't a lecture targeted specifically at you, so don't take offense if you think I'm saying you did all of this wrong. This is just a general set of guidelines that anyone reading this should follow.[/quote]

[quote=Shak3y][quote=Trojan995] To the OP: This isn't a lecture targeted specifically at you, so don't take offense if you think I'm saying you did all of this wrong. This is just a general set of guidelines that anyone reading this should follow. [/quote] ^ With what i said also.[/quote]