Shyvana Solo Top

[quote=IAmByakuya]What are your thoughts on her? I been playing her a lot recently on top as full DPS and ive found out she counters many top laners hard like Jayce with her insane burst, which do you think they are her worst matchups? Also i thought after the S3 starts and the new items especcially the new Tiamat/Upgrade ill be doing a good guide for Jungle/Solo Top/Mid and AP Shyvana[/quote]

[quote=tehAsian]It's really good because of her raw damage output, but Throatslasher says no because she isn't a real top laner, so just hop on the bandwagon and say it sucks. She doesn't counter Jayce, not one bit. She loses to people with strong, consistent harass, but absolutely destroys anyone with no sustain or no disengage. Please no AP Shyv.[/quote]

[quote=IAmByakuya]She may not be a top laner but still can fulfill the role, believe me i have been stomping a lot of solo top jayce without jungler help, any champ without sustain will have a hard time against consistent harass. AP shyv goes for those lol moments :)[/quote]

[quote=Jebus McAzn]Shyvana has unreliable ranged harass on a long cooldown, no sustain, and automatically pushes the lane whenever she wants to win a trade. She has burst but any champion with a disengage or a jump can generally escape from it and she has no hard CC whatsoever bar her ultimate which is extremely difficult to use if you want to displace them behind you. Top lane Shyvana had a thing for a while about a month after M5 popularized jungle Shyvana in the first place - people would run Flash+Teleport, steal the enemy red buff at level 1, and come into lane at level 2 with red buff and stomp the enemy top laner. This is obviously much harder to do now because people are generally smarter about protecting their buffs, especially if they see a Flash+Teleport top lany Shyv in champ select. She gets countered hard by any champion with ranged harass and can't even trade effectively with many of the melee DPS champs out there like Irelia, Olaf, and Jax. She can push, but not as quickly as many others.[/quote]

[quote=Mooninites]Well in response to Jebus, you would play her specifically to push the lane and splitpush. And if that's the case why not just play [[Nidalee]] or [[Teemo]]. In any case, she is stronger than both those champions during the early levels. She can beat almost anyone from levels 1-4. Especially at level two with [[Twin Bite]] and [[Burnout]] pretty much no one can trade with her, except maybe [[Olaf]]. She can push harder than [[Nidalee]] and earlier on, but she's probably not as safe. Idk, she works, but she can be easy to abuse[/quote]

[quote=A Chubby Baby]love it~ but recently stopped playing it because of the lack of cc.[/quote]

[quote=IAmByakuya][quote=Jebus McAzn] Shyvana has unreliable ranged harass on a long cooldown, no sustain, and automatically pushes the lane whenever she wants to win a trade. She has burst but any champion with a disengage or a jump can generally escape from it and she has no hard CC whatsoever bar her ultimate which is extremely difficult to use if you want to displace them behind you. Top lane Shyvana had a thing for a while about a month after M5 popularized jungle Shyvana in the first place - people would run Flash+Teleport, steal the enemy red buff at level 1, and come into lane at level 2 with red buff and stomp the enemy top laner. This is obviously much harder to do now because people are generally smarter about protecting their buffs, especially if they see a Flash+Teleport top lany Shyv in champ select. She gets countered hard by any champion with ranged harass and can't even trade effectively with many of the melee DPS champs out there like Irelia, Olaf, and Jax. She can push, but not as quickly as many others. [/quote] Its all about timing ur abilities, for example you can burnout+twinbite early on just to poke without really a need to engage since they wont want to trade with you and after sometime u learn how to aim flame breath/dragons descent and since she doesnt use any mana you really dont have to worry much about wasting it since normally ull take a point on your E early on for the 15% armour reduction. Since u cant see the other team summoner spells till the load screen they wont know what youre doing most of the time, i have been playing vs good top laners like Irelia and i find myself being able to trade properly and even shutting her down in 1 v 1 fights, vs Jax is all about dodging the counter strike and with the long CD on early levels u can do it with burnout then outburst and later on it depends on whos more fed but lategame is about teamfights so u wont be 1 v 1 them most of the time and though she has no sustain a vamp scepter or any lifesteal items can solve it. Im not saying Shyvana is better than them im saying she can get to match them if played properly but since most Shyvana players dont know how to take the full potential out of her she is more popular on the jungle but people believe she belongs there like women on the kitchen...[/quote]

[quote=Xeronn][quote=IAmByakuya] she is more popular on the jungle [/quote] [quote=IAmByakuya] people believe she belongs there like women in the kitchen... [/quote] Kinda like [[Shaco]]. But hey, it would finally mean I can jungle [[Jarvan IV]] [b]and[/b] have a [[Shyvana]] on my team :3[/quote]

[quote=Wafflesaurous]The one time I faced a top shyvana I was stomped early. Not surprising really as I was playing Vlad, and unless I sat underneath my tower, she could burst me more than I could heal back. This was only for early game, but it still hurt me well into late game because I was behind in CS.[/quote]

[quote=Embracing]She doesn't counter Jayce. Shyvana top is okay, but the big problems with it are: 1) Bad range = kite 2) No burst = cannot punish enemy laner for small mistaes (of course big mistakes are still punishable) Generally kitable bruisers are not great top laner picks..[/quote]