Do you miss HoG?

[quote=CrimsonSkyz][center][icon=heart of gold size=70][/center] I miss [[heart of gold]] a lot ;( Mainly because now AD champs that don't use mana don't really have a good gp10 item for them, especially if they are jungling! [[avarice blade]] isn't very useful in the jungle. In lane it's okay, but if you are getting harassed or beaten up by an enemy [[darius]] you can't farm very well and get that extra gold. [[kage's lucky pick]]: I'm talking about AD champs so screw you! Still pretty good for supports(who are mostly magic based) and AP champs. [[philosopher's stone]] is the cheapest and most effective gp10 but the hp regen was nerfed and the mana regen buffed a little. Now it's an even less viable gp10 item for manaless AD champs like [[rengar]], [[lee sin]], etc. With the new S3 nerfs to minion gold, a gp10 is pretty much mandatory now. But I do like how the siege minions give 44 gold now compared to the 30 gold they gave last season. Still... I want HoG back D: I heard somewhere that Riot is considering bringing back HoG though but who knows when that patch will come :/ Your thoughts and opinions? You can talk about the other gp10 items if you want, not just [[heart of gold]].[/quote]

[quote=Vapora Dark]GP10 is less viable than ever, actually. You use to get half of the item's cost when you sold it, now you only gain like a third. GP10 is now only viable on champions who actually want to BUILD something out of the GP10. Unless you want to hold onto your GP10 for 30 minutes before you finally get some benefit, of course. Riot just wanted to do something to make the whole afk farm 'till late-game thing become less common, I think.[/quote]

[quote=CrimsonSkyz][quote=Vapora Dark] GP10 is less viable than ever, actually. You use to get half of the item's cost when you sold it, now you only gain like a third. GP10 is now only viable on champions who actually want to BUILD something out of the GP10. Unless you want to hold onto your GP10 for 30 minutes before you finally get some benefit, of course. Riot just wanted to do something to make the whole afk farm 'till late-game thing become less common, I think. [/quote] Well I am playing the champs that actually build something out of the GP10 I get, so I guess my opinion is narrow minded atm. I haven't really payed attention to the decrease in the refund :O I didn't even notice until you said so lol So what do you do if you are getting beaten up by a [[darius]] and getting low on farm? I know you could ask for ganks, go around ganking, force teamfights, and farm in jungle but are these the only options?[/quote]

[quote=Vapora Dark][quote=CrimsonSkyz] [quote=Vapora Dark] GP10 is less viable than ever, actually. You use to get half of the item's cost when you sold it, now you only gain like a third. GP10 is now only viable on champions who actually want to BUILD something out of the GP10. Unless you want to hold onto your GP10 for 30 minutes before you finally get some benefit, of course. Riot just wanted to do something to make the whole afk farm 'till late-game thing become less common, I think. [/quote] Well I am playing the champs that actually build something out of the GP10 I get, so I guess my opinion is narrow minded atm. I haven't really payed attention to the decrease in the refund :O I didn't even notice until you said so lol So what do you do if you are getting beaten up by a [[darius]] and getting low on farm? I know you could ask for ganks, go around ganking, force teamfights, and farm in jungle but are these the only options? [/quote] That's pretty much all you can do, I think. If you're being crushed, you're being crushed, there shouldn't be something you can buy to make everything fine late-game, you should have to try and do something to get yourself out of that situation.[/quote]

[quote=CrimsonSkyz][quote=Vapora Dark] That's pretty much all you can do, I think. If you're being crushed, you're being crushed, there shouldn't be something you can buy to make everything fine late-game, you should have to try and do something to get yourself out of that situation. [/quote] Well I guess that makes sense. However, I played a game as [[lee sin]] just yesterday against an [[olaf]] top lane. I had a really hard time because of his Q's damage + range and E's true damage. I decided to max W first instead of my Q like I normally would. It helped a little but because of his true damage it didn't help out too much. [[olaf]] was farming well and I didn't dare go near the minions or else he would smack me with some true damage(he also constantly spammed his Q if I got closer. It net him more CS while damaging me at the same time). I was behind in CS by around 20 at about 3 minutes into the game... so I bought an [[avarice blade]] just for the extra gold(by the time I bought it I lost my turret and was behind by 30 CS ._.). In the end after farming in the jungle and forcing a lot of teamfights/ assisting in them I got as much gold as [[olaf]] which surprised me. He still had 60 more cs than me! So I guess what I'm trying to say is that GP10 may be a last resort if you are getting crushed. Definitely helped me quite a bit. GP10 definitely isn't your ticket out of a bad early/mid game but it is still somewhat beneficial. Won't completely recover but it's better than nothing.[/quote]

[quote=Luther3000]liek dis if u crai errtiem[/quote]

[quote=GrandmasterD]HoG promoted passive play. I hate passive play. Hence I do not miss it. (my [[Leona]] kinda does tho :P)[/quote]

[quote=CrimsonSkyz][quote=GrandmasterD] HoG promoted passive play. I hate passive play. Hence I do not miss it. (my [[Leona]] kinda does tho :P) [/quote] Well I miss it on supports. I only bought [[heart of gold]] to get more gold and some bonus health not to play passively though. Just by farming and playing aggressively I could get a ton of gold fast. I usually got more gold than my team's ADC even though he had more kills. I guess that could be a reason why Riot took it out/changed the gp10s. I felt like I got gold faster and a lot of more of it by going bruiser top. It allowed me to finish my expensive builds with ease. Maybe that's a reason why I'm not very fond of ADC. ADCs don't usually build gp10s. My simple breakdown of ADC is this: farm->kill->carry. If you don't farm well(I suck at farming as ADC -_- how? I have no idea I just have a much easier time with melee bruisers...), then you won't really get kills, get fed, and fulfill your role as a carry. As top lane bruiser that usually built around 2 gp10s([[heart of gold]] and [[philosopher's stone]]), I didn't have to farm as well to get a good amount of gold. I used it as a crutch and I guess with HoG's removal and changes to the other gp10 items, I have a hard time getting up on my own two feet. If I improve my ability to farm, I might not miss HoG as much but right now I miss it a lot :( Edit: My friend recommended that I use flat AD marks and quints so that I'll have an easier time farming and then switch to ArP runes once I've got the hang of farming. Is there another good idea for improving my farming? Or is this the best way and I should start with this first?[/quote]

[quote=Shuru]I used to build HoG on top lane Cho'gath and just hold the minion wave outside of turret range for 40 minutes while their solo top suffered from the inability to be useful. Needless to say I don't miss it because now I actually have to do stuff to win lane.[/quote]

[quote=IAmByakuya]At least Riot should have created more GP10 items...but meh[/quote]