Vi, the Piltover Enforcer, Revealed!

[quote=Lugignaf][quote=Almogpas] [quote=Zeprido] ^A better analogy for her ultimate is a combination of Nautilus and Warwick ults. [/quote] I kinda disagree simply because Warwick "Teleports" to the target and puts a surpress (Cleansable) and Nautilus deals a flat amount to enemies hit by the waves, not a percentage. Also her R has knockback it's not a knockup like Nautilus', with the right positioning Vi can use R to split the enemy team with a thin wall. AND... her R is a single hit not a 5-hits-wise like Warwick's. Correct me if I'm wrong, I've played LoL for just three months, chances are that I'm wrong. [/quote] Suppress is actually not cleanse-able. The analogy is that Vi's ult disrupts the entire team, like Naut's ult, and suppresses and deals good damage to a single target, like Warwick's ult, without the possibility of failure. Unless of course Vi dies in transit.[/quote]

[quote=JEFFY40HANDS][quote=Almogpas] Sorry to disappoint you guys, Vi might seem OP but she is quite balanced because of her Cooldowns and her gapclosers. Here is a list of her weak points: 1) CC Owns her hard. 2) CDR Does not affect E Recharging 3) Built tanky she has the initial burst of her Q R E W(Proc here)E |But left out without anything to do for 4 seconds because of her CD on Q and even there she will probably travel away from the fight. 4) Her shield charges every (12-May change) seconds OUTSIDE OF COMBAT and works for a fixed med amount (450~ lvl 18) + only 10% of her HP for the whole game (750~ health shield for level 18 with 3000~ health, that built a tanky bruiser) |And its kept for 6 seconds (Hitting a minion accidently and you lose the shield before the fight starts). 5) Her Q Has an impressive range of about 400-500 gapclosing but stops at the first enemy champion hit (Vi: Who put that malphite here :P) Although that I must also point out the list of OP abilities she has: 1) Her R knocks you aside (Flashed in as rengar to help my carry over golem wall... she knocked me back aside with her R |T_T|) 2) Her burst is freakishly annoying when she goes AD, she R in, E E W(Proc) carry and can then Q out. 3) Uses trinity well because her E Isn't a proc, its an activate. 4) With AS she will destroy your tank (Like a vayne). 5) Epic clear times when taking E at start, wolves-blue at 1:10 already (Without leash with over half HP Without potions [With the correct runes/masteries/smite]) 6) Her R is like a Lee Sin ulti + Amumu Q, you will get a knock back when she hits you and 75% of the damage (All the damage). 7) Her R is a knock up, unlike Warwick and Malzahar which their ulti is a surpress, Vi's ulti cannot be canceled by Cleanse, Truesilver or Mercurial Scimitar. Note that the OP Side of her can only be achived after a large amount of practice, I'll point out here: 1) In order to execute Trinity Force correctly Vi must take sustain and time her burst right. 2) Her Q charges like Varus' Q, lose movement speed and less then 100~ range dash if toggled right away. 3) Her ulti has a great amount of CD, it was nerfed for 140/120/100 in the PBE like it should have been from the beginning. Overall Vi is great but has high skillcap and requires you to micromanage and cooperate with your whole team, without cooperation you will lose (Funny since she likes working alone according to lore) EPIC SIDE NOTES!: When she R jayce she yells: "Hey Jayce, Power Slam!". Personal taunt to Caitlyn: Drops a tea-cup (Confirms Cait is british). She is a badass Hextech Masher. [/quote] Cait isn't "British". Considering Britain doesn't exist within the League Universe....However, it is funny to watch her do the taunt.[/quote]

[quote=Almogpas]Note: This is quite long you can skip it just some replies to people. @Lugignaf (Awesome sig) [quote]Suppress is actually not cleanse-able. The analogy is that Vi's ult disrupts the entire team, like Naut's ult, and suppresses and deals good damage to a single target, like Warwick's ult, without the possibility of failure. Unless of course Vi dies in transit.[/quote] Yes sorry, not Cleanse-able... Orange-able (GP: I ate an orange and all was k >.>). Lee Sin's ulti does the same effect as Vi's, it knocks aside enemies not knocking them up, the distruption potential is nice but thinkining about splitting the enemy team between a thin wall seems like a better idea ;). Oh and Vi can't be damaged all along the ulti and moves behind walls (Let's say the target flashed) like Fiora's ulti. Do be so kind to check out a gameplay video or playing her on the PBE first? I'm not trying to offend or anything but it helps a lot if you are going to argue with a person that actually plays champions to find and report bugs, I may have played only a little bit but I ended up being an actual pro who can score [Quite a lot] with Talon on 3v3 toplane and [A little Less But Still] with Syndra on 5v5 mid. (Note1: This was after I discovered that Muramana gives her Q and R a massive damage boost worth 500-550 AP and started using her because of her viability). On another hand for @JEFFY40HANDS (Loving your sigs) [quote]Cait isn't "British". Considering Britain doesn't exist within the League Universe....However, it is funny to watch her do the taunt.[/quote] Please? It was a joke due to her British Accent and her rifle which was based on the rifles that were used in Britain and during the US Revolution that time. (Note1: Yes, Riot confirmed that). (Note2: Play AC:3, the rifles are almost exacly alike but they forgot to buy Attack Speed [P.S That was a joke too]). P.P.S Please do not take it too seriously when I put up some jokes... It makes me feel so bad. P.P.P.S I'm addicted to notes and P.S' R.S.V.P ("répondez s'il vous plaît", meaning "Respond if it pleases you OR Respond if you please."... I think... My French is bad, I'll put these on my signature later so people will know what I write, P.S.V.P is used quite a lot in my gaming community as a shortcut for "Reply when you read"[Slenged](Israel). Damn I love writing xD I write so much I barely even notice (Took me 2 minutes to write this whole thing, I just like to go over it to see I did not make any mistakes [And I did make them], studying for University). Peace.[/quote]

[quote=Zeprido][quote=Almogpas] I kinda disagree simply because Warwick "Teleports" to the target and puts a surpress (Cleansable) and Nautilus deals a flat amount to enemies hit by the waves, not a percentage. Also her R has knockback it's not a knockup like Nautilus', with the right positioning Vi can use R to split the enemy team with a thin wall. AND... her R is a single hit not a 5-hits-wise like Warwick's. Correct me if I'm wrong, I've played LoL for just three months, chances are that I'm wrong. [/quote] You've analyzed the wrong part of the ultimate, no 2 ults are going to be 100% visually and physically the same. Also, Warwick ult is NOT cleansable, only way to escape it is to QSS or eat oranges. Naut ult travels to the target regardless of what the target does and cannot be stopped and performs a short knockup. Warwick ult travels to the target and suppresses the target on the ground for 1.8 seconds. Vi ult travels to the target regardless of what the target does and cannot be stopped, and performs a "knockup" that lasts for 1.25 seconds. Take into consideration that her Ultimate originally stated that it knocks up and suppresses for 1.25 seconds. [img=http://i.imgur.com/2hWox.jpg] Do you see it now?[/quote]

[quote=Almogpas]For @Zeprido, all of the post. Note: It seems you've been here for exacly 2 years today, Congrats, I'm here for 5 days. [quote=Zeprido] [quote=Almogpas] I kinda disagree simply because Warwick "Teleports" to the target and puts a surpress (Cleansable) and Nautilus deals a flat amount to enemies hit by the waves, not a percentage. Also her R has knockback it's not a knockup like Nautilus', with the right positioning Vi can use R to split the enemy team with a thin wall. AND... her R is a single hit not a 5-hits-wise like Warwick's. Correct me if I'm wrong, I've played LoL for just three months, chances are that I'm wrong. [/quote] You've analyzed the wrong part of the ultimate, no 2 ults are going to be 100% visually and physically the same. Also, Warwick ult is NOT cleansable, only way to escape it is to QSS or eat oranges. Naut ult travels to the target regardless of what the target does and cannot be stopped and performs a short knockup. Warwick ult travels to the target and suppresses the target on the ground for 1.8 seconds. Vi ult travels to the target regardless of what the target does and cannot be stopped, and performs a "knockup" that lasts for 1.25 seconds. Take into consideration that her Ultimate originally stated that it knocks up and suppresses for 1.25 seconds. [img=http://i.imgur.com/2hWox.jpg] Do you see it now? [/quote] Unfortunatly the written part is not completly true (Read On) ;P I'm actually playing her now to test what you wrote... First you cannot really compare ultimate abilities because each has a different affects and effects, I simply written what I think that is the closest. Second, check my other comment... I stated: Yes sorry, not Cleanse-able... Orange-able.| You are a bit late. Third, the ability, WRITTEN: "IT WILL KNOCK ASIDE!!!" It actually pushes enemies aside and prevents Vi from being targetted with spells or auto attacks, while things like AOE's and skillshots will hurt her, she cannot be autoattacked or targetted with spells since the ulti reset all her attacker's orders and prevents retargetting. Fourth, when I wrote "Also her R has knockback it's not a knockup like Nautilus', with the right positioning Vi can use R to split the enemy team with a thin wall." It was refered to the UNITS ON THE WAY TO THE TARGET, I suggest going back to learning your HOTS such as Referring. Lee Sin's ulti knocks people aside :D Amumu's Q PULLS amumu to the target (Much like Vi's R) Here is a little light shed on Warwick's ulti: (Taken off the LoL Wikia) [quote]ACTIVE: Warwick teleports to target enemy champion, suppressing the target for 1.8 seconds and damaging the target 5 times in 1/3-second intervals. Warwick gains 30% life steal for the duration. Each of his strikes triggers on-hit effects and benefits from life steal and Eternal Thirst.[/quote] Vi will not apply on hit effects (Other then Denting Blows), Vi will not steal life, Vi dashes to the target not teleporting next to it, Vi will not give 5 hits but a single hit and a knockup (She is still untargetted during the knockup), KNOCK UPS CANNOT BE ORANGED OR QSS/MERCBLADED. I'm sorry I had a little mistake on the cleanse >.> I am a human being no? I agree no ulti is the same but I gave Lee Sin's ulti as the effect and Amumu's Q as the visual... You gave me Naut's ulti for visual + Effect (Slightly off since it deals a flat amount of damage and knocks up) and Warwick's for visual+Effect (Warwick: I'm a teleporting wolf.| Warwick teleports, deals on hit effects, steals life and supresses). To conclude, I know what Vi does, simply I argue because Warwick teleports and nautilus knocks up. That's all I have to say (No Offense, just that my values and personal ego always force me to stand my ground).[/quote]

[quote=Zeprido][quote=Almogpas] Unfortunatly the written part is not completly true (Read On) ;P [/quote] It WAS. That was the context for using the term originally. They reworded it to make it easier to understand. [quote=Almogpas] I'm actually playing her now to test what you wrote... First you cannot really compare ultimate abilities because each has a different affects and effects, I simply written what I think that is the closest. [/quote] I too have played her, when I originally said that it was like a combination of Nauts and Warwicks ults, its akin to stating that zed is kind of like a combination of Talon and Shen. [quote=Almogpas] Third, the ability, WRITTEN: "IT WILL KNOCK ASIDE!!!" It actually pushes enemies aside and prevents Vi from being targetted with spells or auto attacks, while things like AOE's and skillshots will hurt her, she cannot be autoattacked or targetted with spells since the ulti reset all her attacker's orders and prevents retargetting. [/quote] I'm not referring to the actual travel time of the ultimate, simply what you do to your target and what can't be done to you for the duration. [quote=Almogpas] Fourth, when I wrote "Also her R has knockback it's not a knockup like Nautilus', with the right positioning Vi can use R to split the enemy team with a thin wall." It was refered to the UNITS ON THE WAY TO THE TARGET, I suggest going back to learning your HOTS such as Referring. [/quote] The knockup is in reference to your target, not to units along the path. [quote=Almogpas] Here is a little light shed on Warwick's ulti: (Taken off the LoL Wikia) [quote]ACTIVE: Warwick teleports to target enemy champion, suppressing the target for 1.8 seconds and damaging the target 5 times in 1/3-second intervals. Warwick gains 30% life steal for the duration. Each of his strikes triggers on-hit effects and benefits from life steal and Eternal Thirst.[/quote] [/quote] Yes, thank you, that's exactly where I pulled the first half of that first sentence from. I'm not at all referring to the rest of the description. A combination does not have to entail all details of the ability. [quote=Almogpas] Vi will not apply on hit effects (Other then Denting Blows), Vi will not steal life, Vi dashes to the target not teleporting next to it, Vi will not give 5 hits but a single hit and a knockup (She is still untargetted during the knockup), KNOCK UPS CANNOT BE ORANGED OR QSS/MERCBLADED. [/quote] I didn't quote the rest of Warwicks ability because it didn't apply. Vi travels to the target akin to nauts ult, regardless of anything the target can do, and performs an extremely long knockup compared to other knockups, or as originally described, a suppression. [quote=Almogpas] I agree no ulti is the same but I gave Lee Sin's ulti as the effect and Amumu's Q as the visual... You gave me Naut's ulti for visual + Effect (Slightly off since it deals a flat amount of damage and knocks up) and Warwick's for visual+Effect (Warwick: I'm a teleporting wolf.| Warwick teleports, deals on hit effects, steals life and supresses). [/quote] No. I gave you a combination. Did not specifically refer to either as a visual or effect. To conclude, its just another way of looking at it. As opposed to declaring likeness to a visual and an effect, I took specific mechanics from 2 different ultimates, and combined them, specifically referring to what gets done to your target.[/quote]

[quote=Almogpas][quote]It WAS. That was the context for using the term originally. They reworded it to make it easier to understand.[/quote] It was not, in fact, true... Her ability used to knock enemies UP on the way, not aside. That said [quote]I too have played her, when I originally said that it was like a combination of Nauts and Warwicks ults, its akin to stating that zed is kind of like a combination of Talon and Shen. [/quote] I will hit you... Zed is nothing like talon(Ability Wise) and shen(Shredder Wise), his mechanics are completly different in every single way other then the fact that he also has Energy like Shen... [quote]I'm not referring to the actual travel time of the ultimate, simply what you do to your target and what can't be done to you for the duration.[/quote] Then you are missing the whole point... Flashing back to a turret and Vi will be destroyed by a smart Jarvan, Blitz or Amumu (Think about R with Fiora, the first slashed champ goes back and fiora travels with him all the way coming next to him (Even inside the base obelisk range). [quote]The knockup is in reference to your target, not to units along the path.[/quote] Yeah and the people I disagreed with referred to the units on the way not the knock up. Naut can't travel with his ulti making him walk all the way there or risk an anchor. [quote]Yes, thank you, that's exactly where I pulled the first half of that first sentence from. I'm not at all referring to the rest of the description. A combination does not have to entail all details of the ability.[/quote] Excuse me, I simply wanted to compare our Analogies, where do you see "Vi[Warwick] gains 30% life steal for the duration. Each of her[his] strikes triggers on-hit effects and benefits from life steal and Denting Blows.", Other then the passive addition (Which is her W that you do not even have to level up and the ulti will NOT apply it) I do not see the lifesteal/5 hits and on hit effects >.>, You may not refer to it but ignoring its there destroys your Analogy. [quote]I didn't quote the rest of Warwicks ability because it didn't apply. Vi travels to the target akin to nauts ult, regardless of anything the target can do, and performs an extremely long knockup compared to other knockups, or as originally described, a suppression.[/quote] Making your Analogy seriously defected since you ignore a MASSIVE part of warwick's ulti, ALSO a knock up is not a supression, a supression can be oranged, QSS-ed and Mercbladed, while a knock up Cannot Be. [quote]No. I gave you a combination. Did not specifically refer to either as a visual or effect.[/quote] That's not really an Analogy then, its more of a blind compare. [quote]To conclude, its just another way of looking at it. As opposed to declaring likeness to a visual and an effect, I took specific mechanics from 2 different ultimates, and combined them, specifically referring to what gets done to your target[/quote] Do not call a blind compare an Analogy, you must have some likeness between them in every way for it to be an Analogy. Example: Yi's W and Soraka W is not an analogy, Yes they both heal but the effects and affects are different. Taric's E and Soraka's W is an analogy, Yes they both heal, they can both target others, they are both instant. To conclude mine, I see a person -who is quite cold to people who do not share his views- that fought for his opinion and I respect that, I can't be forced to agree with that but I will respect you for that. Don't be mad, just a little forum argument that's all, I'd love to argue with you again sometime (when I find the time that is and the subject), you are a very good conversationalist who can stand his ground and fight for his opinion. Unfortunatly for me and you I won this because I got this little (Massive) thing here called Oxford Dictionary which is used to find words such as Analogy and what they mean, I do so love to lose my arguments every once a while and learn new things from the experience. I won't be returning here, if you wanna tell me anything PM me or send it into my spambox Email I check it out too often (sell it as you like, my main Email will never be posted) Almog.pazas@gmail.com. Its been a pleasure, Zeprido. Almog Pas, Israel[/quote]

[quote=Zeprido]Well then. Response sent since there was no "Viktory" yet this day. I have sent with the response an apology to those curious as I was not mad at all, rather extremely confused since I consistently felt like we were not on the same page despite discussing the same topic in a well enough manner to have a competent argument.[/quote]

[quote=TheLastWolf]She cames out OP, cry´s, nerf, cry´s again...Another day in LoL world. PD: Awesome champ, awesome intro, awesome skills, awesome idea...Dam, I want her SO much!...I mean...In a good way, don´t use the dark side of your mind.[/quote]