Having difficulties adapting my support build...

[quote=Zakharia]I'm sorry if this was asked somewhere else, or if this is not the right place for this thread, but I'm new and I did a forum search and couldn't really find much about this. After the recent price increase of sightstones, I'm having a hard time deciding whether I want to incorporate them into my builds or not. This is very unfortunate because I had very little money problems season 2 (and I never even got gp10 runes either!), and now I do. I changed my support rune page to accommodate the gp10 quints and it has helped, but with the price of the standard sight stone jumping to 950, I just don't know if it's worth investing in them anymore at all. I'm very curious to know what other supports have done. I've tried to just rush the kindlegem first and supplemented with mana items and wards, and this has been ok, although right now is an adjustment period because I sometimes forget to buy wards since I got used to buying the sight stones. I wonder if anyone has tried anything different? I think that sight stones were created to offset all the nerfs to gp10 items made for season 3. Now, thanks to abuse, this really affects only people who main support and it kind of sucks :/.[/quote]

[quote=sirell]Yes, they are worth buying. In fact, I still buy them as first or second major item. If absolutely necessary, I will put them off until I buy them as third. As support, I will always have wards on me one way or another, whether as a [[sightstone]] or [[sight ward]]s. In fact, the majority of my leftover money goes to [[vision ward]]s to counterward the enemy. My usual pathing at the moment is: [[rejuvenation bead]]/[[Faerie charm]], 2 [[sight ward]]s, 1 [[vision ward]] and 2 potions. I will also have [[explorer]] and [[biscuiteer]]. From there, I will go [[philosopher's stone]] or [[sightstone]]. Then I will get the one I missed out. I then get [[ruby sightstone]] and then usually onto [[kindlegem]] or [[aegis of the legion]].[/quote]

[quote=Zakharia]Thank you. I have severe mana problems if I start off without either some mana potions or the crystalline flask, but otherwise I follow a similar build. I'll experiment some more with and without the sight stones.[/quote]

[quote=Pølsemanden]I hardly ever get sightstone, i prefer to snowball my lane with some early armor and doran's shield(but then again i've often been called a troll for picking jarvan support) My rule of thumb: if you can't get it on your first or second back, just skip the item altogether and buy wards.[/quote]

[quote=astrolia]Even though the price has increased, the build path is "easier" now that you can buy a [[Ruby Crystal]] and turn it into [[Sightstone]] later. If you go back to town with like 800 gold, you can buy a [[Ruby Crystal]] + [[Rejuvenation Bead]] + 2 [[Sight Ward]]s. And if you are a snowball person like Polse, then you have the option of turning your [[Ruby Crystal]] into an [[Aegis of the Legion]], [[Kindlegem]]/[[Locket of the Iron Solari]], or [[Haunting Guise]]. The important thing to understand about [[Sightstone]] is that it's a replacement for [[Heart of Gold]], not [[Sight Ward]]s.[/quote]

[quote=The_Nameless_Bard][quote=astrolia] The important thing to understand about [[Sightstone]] is that it's a replacement for [[Heart of Gold]], not [[Sight Ward]]s. [/quote][/quote]

[quote=Pølsemanden]on jarman i like to instead of going for the standard armor marks and gold quints i go crazy and take my ad-page and go 9/0/21. The damage you get from this is fucking crazy. The lack of armor you ask? Well we're going ballz deep right? we go cloth armor, 2 wards, 2 pots and then we build the cloth armor into the health regen thingie for a bit of sustain for the ad-carry. Shit be strong against no-dash AD-carries..[/quote]

[quote=The_Nameless_Bard][quote=Pølsemanden] on jarman i like to instead of going for the standard armor marks and gold quints i go crazy and take my ad-page and go 9/0/21. The damage you get from this is fucking crazy. The lack of armor you ask? Well we're going ballz deep right? we go cloth armor, 2 wards, 2 pots and then we build the cloth armor into the health regen thingie for a bit of sustain for the ad-carry. Shit be strong against no-dash AD-carries.. [/quote] on support J4 I run a page with AD marks and quints, armor seals, and MR/level glyphs...with a 9-21-0 mastery page. lawl....[/quote]

[quote=Pølsemanden]9/21/0 what items do you then start with?[/quote]

[quote=Zakharia][quote=Pølsemanden] I hardly ever get sightstone, i prefer to snowball my lane with some early armor and doran's shield(but then again i've often been called a troll for picking jarvan support) My rule of thumb: if you can't get it on your first or second back, just skip the item altogether and buy wards. [/quote] Don't you love it when players call you a troll for playing a nontraditional role? XD;. A somewhat pro friend of mine who got me into this game calls any nontraditional build a "troll build", but I find that kind of annoying because it's not like they're used for trolling and feeding on purpose. Sometimes I like to play Lulu as APC and occasionally jungle and sometimes my team starts whining about it... until they realize my opponents really don't know what to do with me a lot of the time and that works in the team's favor. Jarvan is an interesting choice for support, and I'd like to see that. I very rarely see nontraditional roles for support. Once I saw a support Teemo and he was ok. Is your build a more tanky one? I can only get the sightstone now on first recall during a very good laning phase when me and my partner are either dominating or holding the lane with little effort. It's happened a few times lately... sometimes during a not so good laning phase, I recall with under 500 g and some difficult choices to make and the choice is often mana in that case rather than health, especially if I'm playing a support who can heal. [quote="astrolia"] Even though the price has increased, the build path is "easier" now that you can buy a Ruby Crystal and turn it into Sightstone later. If you go back to town with like 800 gold, you can buy a Ruby Crystal + Rejuvenation Bead + 2 Sight Wards. And if you are a snowball person like Polse, then you have the option of turning your Ruby Crystal into an Aegis of the Legion, Kindlegem/Locket of the Iron Solari, or Haunting Guise. The important thing to understand about Sightstone is that it's a replacement for Heart of Gold, not Sight Wards. [/quote] I only started to miss the heart of gold with this price increase :/. I loved having it as a part of the locket. I have never done that first option before, I might try that sometime. I'm not sure snowballing would work well with an AP support? I can't play melee at all, but if I ever manage to one of these days, I might try it for Taric. Unless maybe if it's done with AP items, but that's too risky early game for me and I only buy AP items if a game ever goes beyond 40 mins. I finish most games without buying any AP items. After Shulerya's nerf, the locket is probably my favorite item, even if the heart of gold is no longer in play. The locket is great because it has CDR which I really appreciate, especially if kindlegem is rushed and I don't have to get the ionian boots of lucidity as quickly. I have a problem remembering to use its active, but I'm trying to get better at that.[/quote]