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Zilean General Guide by Feanor Noletari

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Laggermeister (242) | February 25, 2013 12:29am
Oh and Fingolfin > Feanor. True story
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TurtleSoup | February 24, 2013 5:27am
Voted +1
Nice. I like Zilean support as a change.
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TurtleSoup | February 24, 2013 5:27am
Nice. I like Zilean support as a change.
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Laggermeister (242) | February 23, 2013 10:18pm
No. Avarice Blade is clearly a mistake. As Mr. Akuma correctly stated, you will live with at most two gold items. Avarice Blade gives you additional gold on farm (useless for a support), has useless stats, and doesn't build into anything useful.
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DarkAkumaLord (61) | February 23, 2013 8:35pm

Thank you both for the explaination, I never meant to sound arrogant or throw back the advice. I will try to implement the tips in this guide or in the next I will make.

Avarice Blade I have implemented since it has been buffed to 3gp/10 and then i felt it is actually worth its money. The gold trickle I get is more than 3.2 a second and works well for my item heavy build. I would not recomend the items on all supports, I just do think that my way of playing zilean support needs the gold. I wouldn't dare to build it on Sona

I thank you both for the advice. The inital reason I had and still have for not taking the early point in rewind is the fact it witholds me from taking an additional in my bomb or my slow, it is tricky, and yes it does not allow you to double bomb till level 8 which is a drawback. The early huge slow and damage output works out best with my playing style. When I have time I will add a section with information how the early Rewind might work better for you, but that this depends on you personal preference.

Cheers

Rewind helps me carry if my adc starts failing or set up kills for my adc and Avarice Blade is never needed for zilean for the reason all you need is a philo stone or kage's or both.
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Feanor Noletari | February 22, 2013 9:53am
Thank you both for the explaination, I never meant to sound arrogant or throw back the advice. I will try to implement the tips in this guide or in the next I will make.

Avarice Blade I have implemented since it has been buffed to 3gp/10 and then i felt it is actually worth its money. The gold trickle I get is more than 3.2 a second and works well for my item heavy build. I would not recomend the items on all supports, I just do think that my way of playing zilean support needs the gold. I wouldn't dare to build it on Sona

I thank you both for the advice. The inital reason I had and still have for not taking the early point in rewind is the fact it witholds me from taking an additional in my bomb or my slow, it is tricky, and yes it does not allow you to double bomb till level 8 which is a drawback. The early huge slow and damage output works out best with my playing style. When I have time I will add a section with information how the early Rewind might work better for you, but that this depends on you personal preference.

Cheers
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Laggermeister (242) | February 22, 2013 8:48am
Wow I didn't even notice Avarice Blade in the build. That should definitely not be there at all.

Now, back to Rewind. Yes, I understand it ramps up your mana consumption. But it is obviously stronger to have it when you need it, eg getting that last double bomb off for the kill. If everything plays out normally, you can choose not to use it if you don't need it. Try QEQW. Getting it at level 8 is definitely a mistake.
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Meiyjhe (539) | February 22, 2013 8:05am
PS: There is more to your guide than just your skill order

Lots of white text
No alternative summoner spell options given (While I am pretty sure that exhaust is super awesome on Zilean)
Avarice Blade
A missing skill explanation.
A missing conclusion
Putting the spells and skill chapter in front of item section instead of after
And some other minor things.

Do not get me wrong, your guide is actually pretty good for a first one.
But if someone gives you advice, you should listen to them, not throw their advice back in their face.

I didn't downvote you because people only get dissapointed from -1's.
I didn't vote at all.

Do what you wish with my comment, I am here to help.
If you feel like not listening to me, that means you will not take advice from your readers, thus will not grow in your guide writing skills.
Which is quite dissappointing.

Now, good luck I guess
-Meiyjhe
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Meiyjhe (539) | February 22, 2013 7:56am
I never said you have a bad Zilean guide, I said that it isnt smart to not put 1 point in rewind early game.

And it isn't smart.


Zilean is in need of this skill, it will help harass, it will help with mobility, and it will help with your ultimate.

Putting a point in lvl 8 is too late.


I also said:
"There is no valid argument against taking Rewind early.
If you think it costs too much mana, there are better alternatives for it than refusing to upgrade this spell early."

You have still given not 1 good argument against putting a point in your W.

I didn't downvote you because of this mistake, but now I feel like doing it...
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Feanor Noletari | February 22, 2013 7:23am
Meiyjhe wrote:

If you have 25% CDR from your build, Time warp will have a CD of 15 seconds.

If you slow 1 person and use Rewind, there is just 5 seconds in between and you can use it again.

Also: It is a great spell for your ultimate, because your ultimate has just a too long CD.

There is no valid argument against taking Rewind early.
If you think it costs too much mana, there are better alternatives for it than refusing to upgrade this spell early.


All the arguments you pose now, only hold when I already have my ult or have the items, therefore taking it before lvl 6 is completely pointless because I never have enough CR before that time to make it valid.

Btw the duration of the speed boost is only 5sec therefore the gap of 5 seconds is not enough to make me able to slow and speed seperate targets at the same time.

EDIT: Other than that I would like you both to base your comment on more than one item where we simply disagree, which does not nessesarily make my guide a bad Zilean guide.
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Meiyjhe (539) | February 22, 2013 5:17am
If you have 25% CDR from your build, Time warp will have a CD of 15 seconds.

If you slow 1 person and use Rewind, there is just 5 seconds in between and you can use it again.

Also: It is a great spell for your ultimate, because your ultimate has just a too long CD.

There is no valid argument against taking Rewind early.
If you think it costs too much mana, there are better alternatives for it than refusing to upgrade this spell early.
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