The Udyr Rework

[quote=Grummbox]Well, im not sure about this. Crit has never been a stat that any Udyr has really valued and and the fact that you can now crit while in Turtle Stance doesn't change that very much. It remains to be seen how this will effect game play, but i guess one of the biggest things is that people will need to get extra mana on Udyr if they usually do not.[/quote]

[quote=Lugignaf]Yes, but you don't waste the crit anymore if you decide to go [[Trinity force]] or [[Statikk Shiv]].[/quote]

[quote=Grummbox]Well it wasn't wasted because of the other two stances. Look at Garen for example, Judgement and his Q and all crit; therefore crit is actually a good stat for him. But when looking at Udyr all that can crit would be his auto attacks, which make the stat pretty lackluster. If they changed it where Tiger Stance dot would crit, then the stat would much nicer, but that won't happen. When this comes out i would think the best thing to do is to try a BC Iceborn or BC Manamune build. Im looking forward to this though[/quote]

[quote=NicknameMy]Mana cost is now 47/44/41/38/35 (changed from 50/46/42/38/34) Tiger Stance - Tooltip now says it does "magic damage" again http://www.reignofgaming.net/news/23694-unofficial-and-some-official-pbe-patch-notes-for-3 [[the black cleaver]] is out again, because it is back to magic damage. Instead of it, get more defense, yay. I think now, also an magicpen build would be viable. Getting enough magicpen in order to let [[tiger stance]] and [[phoenix stance]] deal her high base damage to the fullest. In this build, you would max [[phoenix stance]] first if jungle, second if lane and [[tiger stance]] first in the lane, second in the jungle. At the 1. 4 levels you will level all your 4 things up. Lane: Ti>Tu>B>P, then max tiger, then max phoenix Jungle: P>T>B(gank)/Tu(jungle), then the opposite, then max phoenix, then max tiger (you can do it in the opposite direction aswell) In the jungle, your clear will get way faster thanks to that you now melt both the little targets with your aoe and the big targets with tiger proc.[/quote]

[quote=Soulzyy]can't wait to try out the new builds that'll be viable[/quote]

[quote=Lugignaf][quote=NicknameMy] I think now, also an magicpen build would be viable. [/quote] It never was. It never will be.[/quote]

[quote=The_Nameless_Bard]well, that's not entirely true. it's reasonable to grab the magic pen in offense over the armor pen on Phoenix jungle...I just run 9 utility because he doesn't need the offense to clear.[/quote]

[quote=Lugignaf]If he's talking Haunting guise+Sorcs like I think he is, then no, that's dumb. The 8% though is fine since you're not really losing much.[/quote]

[quote=The_Nameless_Bard]^I agree with that statement You'll notice that regardless of what you build/run you're usually doing more magic damage than physical, which makes the 8% magic pen better in terms of your actual damage output...but it's totally unneeded.[/quote]

[quote=Pheyniex][quote=The_Nameless_Bard] well, that's not entirely true. it's reasonable to grab the magic pen in offense over the armor pen on Phoenix jungle...I just run 9 utility because he doesn't need the offense to clear. [/quote] inb4 riot makes an item from Brutalizer and haunting guise.[/quote]