The Udyr Rework

[quote=The_Nameless_Bard]>_< AP Udyr will still be horrible. Sej with Liandry's and tank items would deal more damage :P[/quote]

[quote=BusDriver210][quote=The_Nameless_Bard] >_< AP Udyr will still be horrible. Sej with Liandry's and tank items would deal more damage :P [/quote] Just played a game as AP Udyr. Lost, but man does Phoenix deal damage now! The activation proc makes you so dangerous. Better for ganking too.[/quote]

[quote=NicknameMy]And that is why magicpen with a bit AP like [[liandry's torment]] and [[abyssal scepter]] could be the right way. His 2 skills have good base damage. Obviously [[sorcerer's shoes]]. His Q deals 400 base dmg lategame, because of your base AD beeing 110. His Phoenix deals with that build 262 damage with the proc, 90 damage per second with the AoE. Also, don't forget about [[wit's end]] and [[sunfire cape]], which both increase the damage even more. And the last item? Well, if you want more defense, get [[randuin's omen]], if you got balls, get [[void staff]] and deal even more damage. 294 for proc then and 107 per second.[/quote]

[quote=utopus]I mean AP udyr would be built tanky briuser style, so like maybe a rylai's or liandrys, a RoA (or even a [[tear of the goddess]] -> [[seraph's embrace]]), a warmogs, idk. Just food for thought.[/quote]

[quote=NicknameMy]So, build him like [[singed]]? Well, idk if that would really fit him.[/quote]

[quote=Aseafy]This is a straight up buff to any jungle udyr's, and it brings udyr back. Even without ghost you get a constant ghost, and you hit 500 in bear withput ghost as well. Wriggles, swiftness, triforce Then zephyr or botrk, or more items like those.[/quote]

[quote=NicknameMy]I think you forgot to build defense? Also, noone gets wriggle's anymore.[/quote]

[quote=DillButt64]Saint still gets wriggles[/quote]

[quote=BusDriver210][[Wriggle's Lantern]] isn't that bad, depends on the champ. If you need the proc I think its worth it, other than that no.[/quote]

[quote=utopus]Wriggles isn't bad, at all - it's just there are so many better options, and ways you can spend 900 gold. You can spend 900 gold getting a ward every 3 minutes, 10 AD, and 10% lifesteal, OR you can spend a little more gold, and get a giant's belt. The latter seems much more appealing for a jungle bruiser[/quote]