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Scott Azrael wrote:
This doesn't always work. Had a game last night where I jungled Vi. I'm getting pretty good with her and I got my top lane in good shape. Mid lane was doing so well they took out both the other teams mid and jungler one right after another. I tried to help bot but they were warded and were always pushed up to the enemy turret. I kept asking them to not push up so far, and no one listened. I was actually able to get them a little ahead when I got jumped by bot when I tried to steal their blue buff. I got my bot to finally respond to pings and gave them a kill on Vayne. This gave them a little lead. All lanes at this point are ahead, so we are gonna snowball and win right? Wrong. All lanes decide to start suiciding either 1v3 or 2v4, never giving me a chance to try and save them or give them a good initiation. Within 5 minutes, we went from losing to be just about hopeless because no one would group even though I begged them to stay together. I made good calls, but no one listened. I even warned people that they were about to be ambushed, and they stayed in lane anyway and died. I tried to be positive about it and not rage because my team was being so stupid, but I finally got tired of trying to organize what seemed like a bunch of 5 yr olds scrambling around. I didn't rage, but I ended up being less nice about pointing out that my team was just running in 1v5 or 2v5. Now, when you can actually get a team to listen, then being a good leader can overcome lack of skill. It just seems like there are too many games where you have people unwilling to work with the team.
I do agree with the insta-lose comment. Had too many normals games where we lost in the first 15 minutes because of 1 toxic player destroying the team.
Well it happens, I had a trist who just stayed both and farmed the whole time when I asked to group mid. the method is just a way to improve your chances greatly, there will always be times where some players on your team have no clue what they're doing.
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In my short experience in ranked, I've found that if you take the attitude of "I must carry", then you'll win at least 2 out of 3 pretty consistently, where as if you take the attitude of "dammit dumbass teammates", you'll only win at a 50/50 rate, or worse.
I think part of the reason is that if you take the first attitude, you're actively striving to play better, and subsequently, you improve your play and have a larger effect on the game. But, if you take the second attitude, you believe your play is good enough, so you don't improve your play and so your win rate becomes dependent on your teammates' play.
Anyway, this looks like an interesting experiment, although I think we already know what the outcome will be. It's just about actually recording it. I look forward to the results... good luck :)
I think part of the reason is that if you take the first attitude, you're actively striving to play better, and subsequently, you improve your play and have a larger effect on the game. But, if you take the second attitude, you believe your play is good enough, so you don't improve your play and so your win rate becomes dependent on your teammates' play.
Anyway, this looks like an interesting experiment, although I think we already know what the outcome will be. It's just about actually recording it. I look forward to the results... good luck :)
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I've been waiting for this thread :D
In the past, most of the times I would assume the reason why I lost a Ranked were my poor team-mates, then I came to notice you gotta be alot more open when taking lanes, and usually I only go for mid and it's where I excel, but I know you gotta be able to play every lane, play a number of roles and be good with them, so I decided to start playing diff champs, work every roll, I did a ranked like 30 minutes ago and it went pretty well, decent players, I went solo top Akali and stomped a Shen :) Basically, the fault wasn't totally theirs and it was partially mine.
In the past, most of the times I would assume the reason why I lost a Ranked were my poor team-mates, then I came to notice you gotta be alot more open when taking lanes, and usually I only go for mid and it's where I excel, but I know you gotta be able to play every lane, play a number of roles and be good with them, so I decided to start playing diff champs, work every roll, I did a ranked like 30 minutes ago and it went pretty well, decent players, I went solo top Akali and stomped a Shen :) Basically, the fault wasn't totally theirs and it was partially mine.
When I lose I game, I usually know what I've done wrong. I rarely lose a game entirely because of my team. Most of the time I blame myself when I lose.
I've won games where we were 4v5 with an intentional feeder on our team. When you're playing well, you're playing well and there's nothing that's gonna stop you.
I've lost close games even though my k/d/a was 9001/1/2320981. Even if I blame my team all I want in the chat, I know inside of me that the game probably coulda been won if I didn't get caught like a tard that one time.
This, ladies and gentlemen, is the TiensiNoAkuma mindset. You are not allowed to do mistakes because you have to make up for any of your team's mistakes.
I've won games where we were 4v5 with an intentional feeder on our team. When you're playing well, you're playing well and there's nothing that's gonna stop you.
I've lost close games even though my k/d/a was 9001/1/2320981. Even if I blame my team all I want in the chat, I know inside of me that the game probably coulda been won if I didn't get caught like a tard that one time.
This, ladies and gentlemen, is the TiensiNoAkuma mindset. You are not allowed to do mistakes because you have to make up for any of your team's mistakes.
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This, ladies and gentlemen, is the TiensiNoAkuma mindset. You are not allowed to do mistakes because you have to make up for any of your team's mistakes.
And that would ultimately mean that you need to play way better than your actual Elo/Rating to get to your actual Elo/Rating.
And that's exactly how it really is.
If you already played godlike with X0/0/X0 stats while being the ADC.
If you did everything right to the point where you simply CAN'T do anything more than trust that your mates to do just the simplest part of there job right.
If you are let down at this point, that's it.
You can't blame yourself and ofc there is no point in blaming the team either, BUT not because you "could have done better somewhere" .... OOHHH NO....
There's no point to it simply because the game is over and you got your negative rating.
The only thing there is a point to, is to pray that those guys will at least be never in your team again.
Therefore I developed the habit of putting the absolute worst of them (mostly those who generally speaking "suck" and have a ****ty attidude) onto the ignore list, not to ignore them (not that it would ACTUALLY do that) but to simply mark them.
It's fun how you see them again after a while and you realize that no matter how much time past, they didn't improve in the slightest.
PS:
To all those with the "Carry your team" BS argument to everything:
You do realize that this phrase actually pinpoints itself why it can't work?
"team"
->"teamgame"
->"working TOGETHER solving a problem TOGETHER"
"Carry your team"
->"solo play"
->"Doing the stuff SOLO that's supposed to be done in a "TEAM"
If the "A-Team" had your mindset, it would have been named "MacGyver"
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No, it's the other way around, it's very important to always ask them to group as 5, or they will just go and push bot alone, getting caught and giving a free baron/towers.
Positive attitude is more important here since everyone things they're tough **** and that they're stuck in "elo hell", keeping everyone calm and preventing them from from arguing from each other the whole game will be the saving grace of an insta-lose.
This doesn't always work. Had a game last night where I jungled Vi. I'm getting pretty good with her and I got my top lane in good shape. Mid lane was doing so well they took out both the other teams mid and jungler one right after another. I tried to help bot but they were warded and were always pushed up to the enemy turret. I kept asking them to not push up so far, and no one listened. I was actually able to get them a little ahead when I got jumped by bot when I tried to steal their blue buff. I got my bot to finally respond to pings and gave them a kill on Vayne. This gave them a little lead. All lanes at this point are ahead, so we are gonna snowball and win right? Wrong. All lanes decide to start suiciding either 1v3 or 2v4, never giving me a chance to try and save them or give them a good initiation. Within 5 minutes, we went from losing to be just about hopeless because no one would group even though I begged them to stay together. I made good calls, but no one listened. I even warned people that they were about to be ambushed, and they stayed in lane anyway and died. I tried to be positive about it and not rage because my team was being so stupid, but I finally got tired of trying to organize what seemed like a bunch of 5 yr olds scrambling around. I didn't rage, but I ended up being less nice about pointing out that my team was just running in 1v5 or 2v5. Now, when you can actually get a team to listen, then being a good leader can overcome lack of skill. It just seems like there are too many games where you have people unwilling to work with the team.
I do agree with the insta-lose comment. Had too many normals games where we lost in the first 15 minutes because of 1 toxic player destroying the team.