Questions to Support and other things

[quote=Woebegonenick]I see sightstone being in the game if you and the other team are equal in power and you are just trying to get a edge, but other then that I don't see any good use for it if your team already has like 2 people fed. Placing wards around the dragon and baron early game sometimes helps with seeing the emery jungler and I like to think that start with a build item first to help your team like valor or something like that gives your team a little more boost in confidence knowing that they have a support champ backing them up. Sorry if this doesn't make since lol[/quote]

[quote=More Waffles]I hate sightstone because it only saves money on wards. Yes, it gives a bit of an HP buff, but I'd really rather have it work more similarly to the GP items (Kage's pick, Avarice blade, and Philosopher's stone). Such as have a few different sightstone options that'll do the ward, but allow you to have more mana, more AP, et cetera. Just add variety than simply giving a small HP buff. I disagree on the warding, though. Early game, yes, you wanna ward around dragon to protect bottom lane from the jungler or mid. Later game, it's really nice if you have additional wards to ensure greater map awareness. "Hey, where'd everyone go? Oh, all five are hiding top waiting for me to come by alone." If you're dominating, then yeah, not as necessary. If you're getting crushed, then you just should NEVER be wandering around by yourself anyways, and should try and stick with your team.[/quote]

[quote=Jpikachu1999][[Sightstone]] is much more efficient than any Gp10 item. Each ward you place with it saves you 75 gold. That means 150 gold every 3 minutes, as opposed to 90 from [[Philosopher's Stone]], or 72 gold from [[Kage's Lucky Pick]]. It doesn't just save money on wards. By not having to spend money for wards, you are saving money for anything else in the game, whereas the other items actually don't really give you any money if you don't have [[Sightstone]], because then you spend all that gold it accumulates on wards.[/quote]

[quote=The Overmyynd]Wait.... What... are people saying??? Sightstone is a waste??? I... I really don't know how to reply to this... Its like saying breathing is a waste of time, or finishing sentences... The only response i can possibly have is this: [img=https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQBiHdP8JuYTGCVZI8l6ONLyECMbVaZQbGg_lh5y9eDOw_Gvdi2][/quote]

[quote=Keltocdragon]Sightstone. Always buy vs. stealth champs that way you can save pink wards for that's pesky twitch or akali, while still getting decent coverage of everything else1. Also if your add isn't providing the assist gold sights tone can help with the drain of constantly buying wards, actually letting you get some support items before team fights. If your arc is fed an your a head Just build support items an a couple wards an your golden.[/quote]

[quote=Bioalchemist]sightstone is a must on supports unless of course you are playing against bots or people who don't know how to play league of legends...vision makes and breaks games and the cost of sightstone definitely beats buying sight wards over and over.[/quote]

[quote=More Waffles]I hate buying it. I do, just hate doing so. I'd prefer if they had an AP sightstone or a mana regen sightstone or something else. Just so different supports have the option of purchasing different items rather than being forced to purchase the same item every single game. Another complaint I have with it (when not playing support) is many people buy a sightstone, and never set additional wards mid to late game. Early lane phase, yeah, it's fine to just ward river. Later game I've heard a few supports state "Oh, I already set my two / three wards from sightstone, you'll have to wait." Sightstone is great, still need to buy the occasional ward late game. I also strongly believe that other people can buy the occasional ward as well. While the jungler's off jungling, he can ward his buffs. Mid/top can ward baron mid-late game, et cetera. It's 75 gold, you're farming, you can afford it. It's like saying the tank can't attack someone because it's the ADC's job to do damage. Supports are the primary warders... not the only ones.[/quote]

[quote=Bioalchemist]^ yeah I agree but still a lot of noobs out there that think it is only the supports job to get wards. these are the same people that flame the support when there is no vision because you just got pushed back to base and they run out in the middle of the jungle and get killed 5v1...wtf support? where are the wards at?....they are here...in my inventory waiting for the TEAM to move out so I don't get caught 5v1 the problem you say about support putting out wards and saying they are done well this is usually corrected by the other problem you stated about other team members buying wards..i usually rush ruby sightstone most of the time..which give plenty of regulars for one slot..and another slot I save for vision wards. wish more players agreed that other people can ward...so frustrating at low elo...[/quote]

[quote=More Waffles]Oh, I know. I've had an ADC scream at a support about wards, when we had lost two inhibitors and were trying to protect the Nexus. "Where are the wards, they might be getting baron right now" Who the hell cares? Let's go check Baron and let the minions take the nexus. If you have the additional money and an open slot, buy wards, whoever you might be.[/quote]

[quote=The Overmyynd]Agreed, but the point trying to be made here is that cashwise- rushing a sightstone is the single most cost effective item for supports, above a philo and kages. it works out to be slightly over 8gp10 if you ward properly in lane, and after that it still continues to give amazing cash, letting you only really need to buy a couple of pinks here and there and focusing mainly on your build. That is as long as your teammates are ALSO buying wards (which at low elo- they don't, but anyone gold+ will tell you that it is an essential part of gameplay for EVERYONE to ALWAYS leave a slot open for wards). Oh and just a personal rant- Hate people that refuse to buy wards after the enemy gets an oracles. i tell them to drop wards, they are like "there isnt any point, they have an oracles". so drop wards, wait for the guy to clear them, then ambush the #%$!^$* and KILL him and make him waste another 400g for another oracles, if he has the cash. RAAAAGRBLFRGLRAZAFRAZAHEEGRHURGR. Ok rant over. Continue with the discussion.[/quote]