Another Diamond AMA (jungle theme) GOOOOO

[quote=C4 Lasty]On Zac you max W first and E second every game. No exceptions.[/quote]

[quote=MyRepublic]Ok, so a while back there was an argument on here about the state of counterjungling right now. I'd like your take on whether it is worth it, and if so when is it worth it?[/quote]

[quote=DillButt64][quote=C4 Lasty] Are you seriously asking me jungle karma questions? I have no idea she isn't a jungler and I've never played her. On Zac I run Magic Pen marks, Armor seals, a mix of Mr and mr per lvl glyphs, and Move speed quints. I run 9-21-0 masteries and I build first item Spirit of the spectral wraith into spirit visage and sunfire if I'm doing well. If not I'll build a randuins. You can swap what you build first visage or sunfire/randuins depending on what they have a lot of. Ninja tabi or merc treads every game gg. [/quote] lawl oops i forgot to point out that the second part of my post regarding maxing W or E was for hecarim so yeah that question is about hecarim[/quote]

[quote=C4 Lasty]Always max W 2nd on hecarim. Always.[/quote]

[quote=C4 Lasty][quote=MyRepublic] Ok, so a while back there was an argument on here about the state of counterjungling right now. I'd like your take on whether it is worth it, and if so when is it worth it? [/quote] Counterjungling is a huge part of my game. If I have decent synergy with my mid I'll go back at 5-6 mins and buy a couple of wards. I'll ward their red and blue and I'll coordinate with mid to take their buffs. I also REALLY wouldn't recommend trying to counterjungle with slow clear junglers. Its not worth it. If you are playing Naut or Rammus stay on your side. Knowing the avg timers also is really helpful. If the enemy jungler started blue it should be up around 7:15 etc. just know your timers.[/quote]

[quote=Satella]If you got killed early game as the jungler, how do you bounce back from it? I don't jungle if I can help it, but if I end up having to jungle and fucked up my early game by getting killed, I find myself in an extreme pinch because now the jungle camps do obscene amounts of damage to me, I'm behind in gold/experience and can't gank, and the enemy jungler just does drive-by wraith steals constantly and I can't do shit about it other than being forced to ward everywhere, putting me behind in gold even more.[/quote]

[quote=A Chubby Baby]Horsey jungle is da best~[/quote]

[quote=C4 Lasty][quote=Satella] If you got killed early game as the jungler, how do you bounce back from it? I don't jungle if I can help it, but if I end up having to jungle and fucked up my early game by getting killed, I find myself in an extreme pinch because now the jungle camps do obscene amounts of damage to me, I'm behind in gold/experience and can't gank, and the enemy jungler just does drive-by wraith steals constantly and I can't do shit about it other than being forced to ward everywhere, putting me behind in gold even more. [/quote] If you die w/ first double buff on you, you deserve to lose the game... But I suppose I'll take a stab at this...IF <---capitals) I die with my first set of doubles on after I bash my face against my desk a few times I'll just keep farming and taking lane farm when I can. I'll also ask my midlaner for our 2nd blue so I can 'catch up'. If the enemy jungler keeps stealing my shit I'll ask my laners to ward the jungle entrances and start ambushing the jerk when he comes to take my shit.[/quote]

[quote=C4 Lasty]THE ONLY TIME its somewhat acceptable to die w/ your double buffs on is if you get first blood on someone and the buffs go up in smoke. See how hard your laner will cuss you out if you give doubles and a kill to their lane opponent early.[/quote]

[quote=Satella]Well said, thanks.[/quote]