Because if you don't exhaust him he will just do all his damage anyway, hes not going to back out if you don't exhaust
You are saying that you don't use exhaust on champions with escapes?
You are saying that you don't use exhaust on champions with escapes?
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If they use Exhaust aggressively on a champion who has good positioning, hasn't burned an escape, and can easily back out anyway, then they're bad at using Exhaust.
If they use Exhaust to give them an advantage in an engagement, they're doing it right. However Luther3000 is talking about a situation where Tristana who has positioning such that he/she can back out easily, which therefore means that the Tristana hasn't used his/her burst combo yet. This because using Buster Shot effectively relies on using Rocket Jump to get them at a good angle, and using Rocket Jump aggressively puts you out of position. This means that Tristana is not the one engaging. She's also not being engaged upon because once again, she hasn't burned an escape, has good positioning, and can easily back out. By process of elimination, this means that your support is either engaging or being engaged upon. What Luther3000 is implying is that it makes more sense to back out in this case and waste their Exhaust, and therefore Doran's Ring is not as good an item choice as I think it is. But since it's your support who is being engaged upon or engaging himself, backing out means you are leaving him to 1v2.
If they're using Exhaust to run away then backing out only loses you the potential to get a kill.
So the two scenarios where it makes sense to Exhaust a Tristana with good positioning are situations where Tristana should not choose to back off.
Exhaust aggressively on a champion who has good positioning, hasn't burned an escape, and can easily back out anyway, then they're bad at using Exhaust.If they use
Exhaust to give them an advantage in an engagement, they're doing it right. However Luther3000 is talking about a situation where Tristana who has positioning such that he/she can back out easily, which therefore means that the Tristana hasn't used his/her burst combo yet. This because using Buster Shot effectively relies on using Rocket Jump to get them at a good angle, and using Rocket Jump aggressively puts you out of position. This means that Tristana is not the one engaging. She's also not being engaged upon because once again, she hasn't burned an escape, has good positioning, and can easily back out. By process of elimination, this means that your support is either engaging or being engaged upon. What Luther3000 is implying is that it makes more sense to back out in this case and waste their Exhaust, and therefore Doran's Ring is not as good an item choice as I think it is. But since it's your support who is being engaged upon or engaging himself, backing out means you are leaving him to 1v2.If they're using
Exhaust to run away then backing out only loses you the potential to get a kill.So the two scenarios where it makes sense to
Exhaust a Tristana with good positioning are situations where Tristana should not choose to back off.
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Yes I derped there a bit but it doesn't interfere with my point. The rhetorical question I asked requires some context to make sense. This was my fault, but here's some context:
- I said that Exhaust affects autoattacks more because reduced damage stacks along with the lowered attack speed.
- Luther3000 said that Exhaust affects burst more because if you have good positioning you can just back out of an Exhaust.
- I reply that the only situations where you're Exhausted while you have good positioning you can but should not back out.
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Sorry, I didn't pay attention to the discussion before your comment I just replied to the "Why would you exhaust...", my bad, I didn't know it was a continuation of something
Yes there are situations where you should not back out, mostly when you and/or your support are the aggressor(s)
As for exhaust's effectiveness on autos, yes it is more effective because it reduces more damage than on spells but with burst your spells not only did lower damage (although less damage was reduced than the autos), but when you are autoattacking and you get exhausted, you still didn't blow any cooldowns. When the exhaust finishes, although you did barely any damage during it, you can still keep doing full damage right after. But with exhaust on burst, although you will deal a bit more damage than autos, but when the exhaust finishes you won't be able to do much more for a while because you blew your entire burst CD. I think that exhaust's effectiveness is around the same for both situations.
But if you can back out easily, the only time you should be exhausted is if you shouldn't back out, so I don't really agree with what Luther said. I mean if the enemy support/adc are the aggressors, it would be stupid to exhaust Trist if she has the ability to back out easily.
Yes there are situations where you should not back out, mostly when you and/or your support are the aggressor(s)
As for exhaust's effectiveness on autos, yes it is more effective because it reduces more damage than on spells but with burst your spells not only did lower damage (although less damage was reduced than the autos), but when you are autoattacking and you get exhausted, you still didn't blow any cooldowns. When the exhaust finishes, although you did barely any damage during it, you can still keep doing full damage right after. But with exhaust on burst, although you will deal a bit more damage than autos, but when the exhaust finishes you won't be able to do much more for a while because you blew your entire burst CD. I think that exhaust's effectiveness is around the same for both situations.
But if you can back out easily, the only time you should be exhausted is if you shouldn't back out, so I don't really agree with what Luther said. I mean if the enemy support/adc are the aggressors, it would be stupid to exhaust Trist if she has the ability to back out easily.
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I've seen it work very effectively in high elo games (diamond 1 to 3), as someone mentioned earlier her E ability is a strong and safe trade tool when laning, chip in the extra AP from doran's ring and the mana regen and your trade power is even stronger.
People blabblering on how detrimental it would be since you are missing extra AD from doran's blade and how hard it would be to last hit under tower and what not because of his E...
Just fyi back in season 1 people was starting with boots 3 and no one was ever complaining about it. Either you know how to last hit as tristana and understand how her E passive works or you simply don't. That simple.
Just my 2cents.
I've seen it work very effectively in high elo games (diamond 1 to 3), as someone mentioned earlier her E ability is a strong and safe trade tool when laning, chip in the extra AP from doran's ring and the mana regen and your trade power is even stronger.
People blabblering on how detrimental it would be since you are missing extra AD from doran's blade and how hard it would be to last hit under tower and what not because of his E...
Just fyi back in season 1 people was starting with boots 3 and no one was ever complaining about it. Either you know how to last hit as tristana and understand how her E passive works or you simply don't. That simple.
Just my 2cents.
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Exhaust actually impacts burst far more than it does autoattacks. If you're autoattacking a guy with good positioning and you get exhausted, you can just back out, forget the whole thing and their exhaust is on cooldown for 200 seconds. If you've used your gapcloser and you're going all-in your burst all gets reduced and you're **** out of luck because you used your escape to go in.
Why would you exhaust someone with good positioning who can easily back out?