The Trayvon Martin Case Discussion

[quote=caucheka]heheheheh [youtube=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pQ29uAjSKhg][/quote]

[quote=Mooninites][quote=Darcurse] Was shown in Germany, too. But in all seriousness, even while he got attacked to a point where self-defense was justified: The term self-defense is way more "acceptable" in America than in any other country. Normally "self-defense" works if you can proof that you were about to get violated, severely injured or killed, in America you can get away with "seemed like he was about to do sth" (not refering to Trayvon). And the american jurisdiction is rather fucked in terms of who can sue who for what. Guy sues for not knowing how to use a cruise control. Granny sues for running into a glass wall of an Apple store. Dude sues for getting fat eating only McDonald's food. [/quote] You can file suit in America for any reason, that doesn't mean the case will be heard. A lot of the frivolous law suits you're talking about just get thrown out. I totally agree that there are a lot of absolutely ridiculous law suits. I think the only way to combat that is add a damages counter-suit which would basically be suing someone for bringing a frivolous case with intention of defamation rather than legal justice. But that would cause a number of problems; it would be hard to prove intent, and the second would be it would discourage people from filing suit for real cases of damages. Yes it would end frivolous cases for the most part but it would probably also make people afraid to claim they've been wronged. I hate frivolous cases, I hate ambulance chasers and I just have a general dislike for the lawyer profession. They're pretty much the scum of the earth. [quote=skidmarkD] Nope, we're not into the whole racial thing. Means it isn't/wasn't as big a deal for us as it is in the US. Although the reports I've seen all do take on the same wordings as the US media. White guy acquited from killing black guy. Which irritates me to no end. Stories from over here don't include race/skincolor/ethnicity. [/quote] I know some places in europe that have racial/religious problems _________________________________________________________________________________________________________ Also for anyone interested; Angela Corey and Bernie de la Rionda (two members of the prosecution) could face possible disbarment (meaning they wouldn't be able to practice law) for accusations of withholding evidence from the defense team and false testimony under oath. Zimmerman's defense team, Mark O'Mara and Don West apparently plan to pursuit sanctions against them.[/quote]

[quote=throatslasher][quote=MrCuddowls] I'm somewhat confused about what you want to discuss in terms of this trial. I think that the prosecutor was completely correct in saying that "Zimmerman wanted to kill Martin." No thirty year old man would be senseless enough as to kill a seventeen year old and call it off as "self defense." [/quote] 1st post, fucktarded as all hell. New record? Out of shape fat as fuck 30 year old vs 17 year old in shape hood rat? I'd put my money on the hood rat any time.[/quote]

[quote=throatslasher][quote=Pheyniex] nice joke you have there, because the jury got manipulated by a fancy graph. the jury obviously doesn't feel or think. tell me what reasonable place considers killing an unarmed person a legitimate self defence action. [/quote] I just can't handle the idiocy from cudd and pheyniex on a daily basis. If you are a 45 year old man walking down the street at night, and you get jumped by 2 gangbangers beating you relentlessly with their fists, you're not allowed to draw your gun and defend yourself? Get the fuck out of here and please stay gone.[/quote]

[quote=Pheyniex][quote=throatslasher] [quote=Pheyniex] nice joke you have there, because the jury got manipulated by a fancy graph. the jury obviously doesn't feel or think. tell me what reasonable place considers killing an unarmed person a legitimate self defence action. [/quote] I just can't handle the idiocy from cudd and pheyniex on a daily basis. If you are a 45 year old man walking down the street at night, and you get jumped by 2 gangbangers beating you relentlessly with their fists, you're not allowed to draw your gun and defend yourself? Get the fuck out of here and please stay gone. [/quote] 1. if you are 45 being beaten by 2 at the same time, good luck drawing your gun. 2. i brought you a matter of proportion, you respond with a case related hypothesis? why 2 people? He was minding his business? Are you allowed to carry a gun on the street? (if yes, you are twisted people) 3. I presume you think it's plain fair to take a life for a punch (not worried about how many punches are), when shooting a chest is probably as easy as shooting a leg. 4. If you want to advocate allowing anybody to use any tool without proper knowledge and training, go ahead and jump right on a Swat team. while you're at it, perform surgery on your family. 5. I'm here so you can learn to read stuff thoroughly, hopefully not jumping to conclusions. maybe someday you'll get it. 6. Chasing suspicious people is rather stupid, and you should know it. Zimmerman was looking for trouble. 7. Juries in trials are and will always be a joke. hardly a judge will be impartial, so even worse bringging commoners to decide on this (a graph!, a fancy graph!) he took a a life, ffs, free as a bird. well, i'll just go and kill some people, saying it was self defence. no accountibility, thank you![/quote]

[quote=caucheka][quote=Pheyniex] he took a a life, ffs, free as a bird. [/quote] a bloo bloo 1 of the countless millions of people in the world died.[/quote]

[quote=IShouldGetALife]I agree with Phey here, why should someone be able to kill someone if they [i]feel[/i] threatened, they aren't actually but y'know, say there's a black kid walking down the street and he just looks at this white guy, the white guy could and most likely would be a racist fuck and think that because a black guys looked at him he is gonna get mugged, now he feels threatened so he shoots him to protect himself is that fair? even if the guys punches him you shouldn't be able to kill a guy for punching you, I'd be dead a hundred times over if that was the case. Edit: to clarify I mean hitting in schoolyards and I am white so maybe not the greatest choice of words but y'know you get the point (I hope).[/quote]

[quote=DillButt64][quote=Pheyniex] [quote=throatslasher] [quote=Pheyniex] nice joke you have there, because the jury got manipulated by a fancy graph. the jury obviously doesn't feel or think. tell me what reasonable place considers killing an unarmed person a legitimate self defence action. [/quote] I just can't handle the idiocy from cudd and pheyniex on a daily basis. If you are a 45 year old man walking down the street at night, and you get jumped by 2 gangbangers beating you relentlessly with their fists, you're not allowed to draw your gun and defend yourself? Get the fuck out of here and please stay gone. [/quote] 1. if you are 45 being beaten by 2 at the same time, good luck drawing your gun. 2. i brought you a matter of proportion, you respond with a case related hypothesis? why 2 people? He was minding his business? Are you allowed to carry a gun on the street? (if yes, you are twisted people) 3. I presume you think it's plain fair to take a life for a punch (not worried about how many punches are), when shooting a chest is probably as easy as shooting a leg. 4. If you want to advocate allowing anybody to use any tool without proper knowledge and training, go ahead and jump right on a Swat team. while you're at it, perform surgery on your family. 5. I'm here so you can learn to read stuff thoroughly, hopefully not jumping to conclusions. maybe someday you'll get it. 6. Chasing suspicious people is rather stupid, and you should know it. Zimmerman was looking for trouble. 7. Juries in trials are and will always be a joke. hardly a judge will be impartial, so even worse bringging commoners to decide on this (a graph!, a fancy graph!) he took a a life, ffs, free as a bird. well, i'll just go and kill some people, saying it was self defence. no accountibility, thank you! [/quote] the ammount of "I HAVE NO IDEA WHAT IM TALKING ABOUT" in this post is just...too much ill explain point by point 1 and 3 completely contradict each other, Zimmerman was getting punched and beat on a sidewalk so can you please explain to me how its a "goodluck getting your gun out" and "shooting someone in the leg is as easy as shooting in the chest" ESPECIALLY WHEN TRAYVON IS ON TOP OF ZIMMERMAN 2 you somehow contradict your original post because YES Zimmerman is allowed to carry a gun in the state of Florida (if i remember correctly he was a part of the city watch in a bad neighborhood that has been having reported break ins) NO it doesnt matter if Trayvon was minding his business Zimmerman as a neighborhood watchman is allowed to walk up to Trayvon and ask him what hes doing at that time of night back to 3 again, you are aware that Trayvon wasnt some small tiny kid, he was 17, muscular, and beating Zimmerman into a sidewalk, what is he supposed to do? just sit there and let him get the shit beat out of him? no he has the right of self defense and he used it 4 you prove once again you have no idea what youre talking about, im gonna show you the steps IN FLORIDA on how to get a conceal and carry gun, i want you to pay attention to step number 4(four) [quote] 1: A completed Florida concealed weapons application (black ink) and it must be notarized. 2: You must be finger printed. 3: You must have passport picture not older than 30 days with your name and date of birth printed on the back of the picture with a sharpe marker. 4: You must complete a basic pistol course and receive a training certificate. You must send a copy of that training certificate. 5: The fee for your license is $117.00 (an application fee of $75.00 and finger-print processing fee of $42.00). This is a one time fee to get you set up and is good for 7 years. At the end of 7 years you will receive a renewal for another 7 years for $65.00. Make your check or money order out to FLORIDA DEPARTMENT OF AGRICULTURE AND CONSUMER SERVICE DIVISION OF LICENSE. 6: Stamp it and it is ready to be mailed it. (SOURCE) http://floridacwc.com/frequently-asked-questions/#process [/quote] im just going to ignore number 5 because you never post anything thorough so how can we read something thoroughly? as for number 6 im going to state again he was a part of the neighborhood watch(IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY I MIGHT BE WRONG) so he has the right to walk up to him and ask him "why are you out at this time of night" now if trayvon LIKE A NORMAL HUMAN answered "im just going to my girlfriends house" instead of calling his girlfriend saying something along the lines of "theres a creepy ass cracker following me" and then turning around to beat Zimmerman then everything would have been fine and nothing would have happened, you could say Zimmerman was looking for trouble but its Trayvons fault for being trouble as for number 7, if theyre a joke then how come theyre used today after being used since well...ancient Greece, if they were such a joke dont you think a better system would be created and used by now? pleasepleasepleasepleasepleaseplease next time you post something MAKE SURE YOU KNOW WHAT YOURE TALKING ABOUT like just take 4 or 10 minutes and just look at what you typed and just think about what you just typed[/quote]

[quote=Valkenhyn]to all you who are saying "hitting someone isn't putting their life in danger," I fail to see how punching someone in the head against concrete is just "hitting someone" and it most certainly can lead to irreparable bodily harm I'm honestly for neither "side" of the issue, but understating the facts is very misleading and can give people who didn't do their own research the wrong idea[/quote]

[quote=DillButt64]honestly i was on the "Zimmerman should go to jail!!!!" side until i actually did research on this case, i highly suggest everyone else does research too before they post something incorrect in this thread[/quote]